Can someone help me?

[ManMachine]

I'm sick and tired of the same Hittler was an atheist speech along with Stanlin and the rest. Today I received another speech of atheist are evil and that kind of stuff along with these:

Non-Religious Dictator and the lives they've took.
Joseph Stalin – 42,672,000
Mao Zedong – 37,828,000
Adolf Hitler – 20,946,000
Chiang Kai-shek – 10,214,000
Vladimir Lenin – 4,017,000
Hideki Tojo – 3,990,000
Pol Pot – 2,397,0003

And some pretty lame statement:

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No no, he was an atheist.
Hitler's words: "I want to raise a generation devoid off a conscious; imperious, relentless, and cruel."
Now, did Jesus ever say that?
If he was clearly religious, he wouldn't have slaughtered so many people. Like seriously, how many rules and laws did he break? He ordered millions of men women and children to be killed. And even more so, he saw himself as almost like a demigod, a being greater than man. So when he said "God is with us" he could very well be mentioning himself, of course other people don't think that (especially atheists who will try to find anything to link it to a religious war).
If Hitler truly believed in God, he wouldn't have acted like he did. He had no fear of God! He did whatever he wanted! If he believed in God, he would've at least known not to kill, ESPECIALLY not to kill the Jews. If Hitler was a Christian, he would have known that the Jews were God's people.
So why in the name of all atheistic logic, would he slaughter the Jews?!
Also, he followed the works of an atheistic philosopher by the name of Friedrich Nietzsche and presented these works to Stalin and Mussolini himself.
ATHEIST.

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So screw Hitler I don't give a damn about Hitler if he was an atheist an christian an hypocrite I don't care let's move on I'm not here to debate that.

My question is: Can anyone tell me the name of a website or a list of pretty much every crazy nutjob that has killed in the name of religion? I'm talking about large masses of killing.
Or at least the dictators?
Or a name of massacres perhaps?
A number of casualties would be great.

I just want a list of data I'm not asking full a whole summary. I'm saying this because the last time I asked for a list of historical religious murderers a guy posted me a link of wikipedia about the crusades and said you are welcome.

You know I just want a sort of list of names that I can say: See! all these mothef*****s were all religious and they killed in the name of their lord.

Firstly, never let yourself get drawn into someone else's game. Don't let them force their rules upon you, if you want to expose this person's fallacy think outside the box. If you try and slug it out toe to toe no one wins, you just end up exhausted and frustrated.

It seems to me that their argument is predicated on one premise, that the fewer killings the more true the religion. OK, use this stupidity against your opponent, if this is the premise then by their own logic Buddhism (which has killed less people than any religion in the entire history of humankind due to their belief in reincarnation) is the one true religion.

Sorted.

MM

[Minimalist]

How about Urban the II. He was a bloody bastard.

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/ur...lcher.html

"All who die by the way, whether by land or by sea, or in battle against the pagans, shall have immediate remission of sins. This I grant them through the power of God with which I am invested. O what a disgrace if such a despised and base race, which worships demons, should conquer a people which has the faith of omnipotent God and is made glorious with the name of Christ! With what reproaches will the Lord overwhelm us if you do not aid those who, with us, profess the Christian religion! Let those who have been accustomed unjustly to wage private warfare against the faithful now go against the infidels and end with victory this war which should have been begun long ago. Let those who for a long time, have been robbers, now become knights. Let those who have been fighting against their brothers and relatives now fight in a proper way against the barbarians. Let those who have been serving as mercenaries for small pay now obtain the eternal reward. Let those who have been wearing themselves out in both body and soul now work for a double honor. Behold! on this side will be the sorrowful and poor, on that, the rich; on this side, the enemies of the Lord, on that, his friends. Let those who go not put off the journey, but rent their lands and collect money for their expenses; and as soon as winter is over and spring comes, let hem eagerly set out on the way with God as their guide."

[fr0d0]

No


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Incorrect. Christian values inspired Wilberforce to be a driving force in the anti slavery movement and rile against the zeitgeist. Likewise there are example of Christians acting subversively against the Nazis.

Just because people use christian values to do good does that condones all the people who uses christian values to do bad?

Because I'm gonna quote Hitchens os this one.

Name me an ethical statement made or an action performed by a believer that could not have been made or performed by a non-believer.
And now name a a cruel and vicious action performed by a believer that could not have been made or performed by a non-believer.

[Alex K]

oh Frodo, you're hopeless. Is there any way to get a coherent thought out of you?

[fr0d0]

What's your problem Alex?