Double standards? white guy gets shot by black cop in a similar situation days apart

[Losty]

King?

[Drich]

Again what does race have to do with the seperation of the social classes?

Money knows no racial boundaries. Their are rules in the making and keeping of money. If one follows said rule he will accumulate a mass of it. If one does not... Money will not suffer a fool for very long, red, yellow, black or white.

Race has a lot to do with the separation of social classes. One only needs to read an American history text to witness the injustices that have long plagued minorities in the U.S., and continue to do so. Look at the education and prison systems as they relate to whites and blacks, not to mention the housing market, which for many years worked to keep blacks out of affluent, white communities.

Ahh, no. This was the case maybe 20 years ago, but soceity is quickly dividing into the haves and the have nots. Those who have may subdivide themselves, but for the most part especially since the market crash the haves rally and support one another while the have nots continue to live fight and bicker like it was 20 years ago.

Those who have generally only want more, and have the business sense to be diverse enough to work with and cash in when and where ever they can. That is why race is not generally an issue. Those who have not hold on to the past, because this anger and hate is apart of them, and it is a lot easier to blame each other (other have nots of a different color) than to blame themselves for taking the easy out every chance they get.

[Mystical]

Maybe then dear Drich, your skin is too too thick. If chuck had said that to me in person or about anyone else I knew, I'd have slapped his face (with words). Sometimes we all (especially you sir) lose sight of the fact that we are talking to people, not text, and our words have power. Even though we aren't face to face, its not okay to flame. Its not okay to wish aids on other people, either. Its just not becoming of civility, and dances precariously on the precipice of juvenilely.
I think you reap what you sow. Maybe... sow better?

[Drich]

King?

Rodney king the LA riots?!

He was unjustly beat up by like 10 cops, and the city was almost burnt to the ground.. Rodney king is the king in race riot and looting for a 'noble' cause business.

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Maybe then dear Drich, your skin is too too thick. If chuck had said that to me in person or about anyone else I knew, I'd have slapped his face (with words). Sometimes we all (especially you sir) lose sight of the fact that we are talking to people, not text, and our words have power. Even though we aren't face to face, its not okay to flame. Its not okay to wish aids on other people, either. Its just not becoming of civility, and dances precariously on the precipice of juvenilely.
I think you reap what you sow. Maybe... sow better?

Your right! I do have callous skin. One has to have it here and places like this, especially when I hold the antagonist pov in this particular forum. I and those who share my views know going in we are considered the 'bad guys' and have to remain so at least to a degree if we are to remain faithful to what I believe. So rather slap him back for what was said to me or about my wife, I must turn the other cheek. While I will not let this type of slanderous misrepresentation go if said about God or the bible, it would be a point of pride to indulge in using my God given ability to 'slap down' a personal arguement, especially when we are told to go the extra mile/turn the other cheek.

As far as sowing what I reap. I am sowing change. I am sowing change by showing you all different way to look at and think about a whole myriad of topics. Those who have been taught to think a certain way will argue anything they are not familiar with. Those who have been indoctrinated will kick scream and claw out the eyes of anyone who they can not scare off with an aggressive display of their verbal plumage.

It's par for the course.

I thank everyone for their concern, but truthfully it's no big deal. Again, a couple does not live through something like that and not come out fortified on the other end. We have been married long enough to have had far more good drug free years than bad. I honestly do not think about it any more..

But when I do.. I drink dos root beers.

Then look back and realize that nothing I am involved with doing today would be possible if I had not seen and stuck that trial out through to the end.

It was a very hard answer to a very important prayer. Fore it is far easier to see and hear God in the hardship than in the prosperity. Why? Some claim desperation.. No. When one is dealing with a 250 dollar aday herion addiction, one quickly passes desperation, to the valley on no hope, and dispare. Its when we give up and give it to God can we see things work. Because once we give up we know the things that are happening are not our doing.
It is from this extension of love that I was shown in this dark time did I learn what it is to forgive and to be forgiven. I emptied my anger out on God, and He allowed me to do it. Not only that He took my anger and provided me answers to my questions. These answers forced me to change the way I think about everything.

In people like chuck I see the anger I once had myself. Because the opportunity was given to me to empty out my anger and ask my questions, I feel the least I can do is provide that same place that was given to me. What he does with it is completely upto him.

[Mudhammam]

Race has a lot to do with the separation of social classes. One only needs to read an American history text to witness the injustices that have long plagued minorities in the U.S., and continue to do so. Look at the education and prison systems as they relate to whites and blacks, not to mention the housing market, which for many years worked to keep blacks out of affluent, white communities.

Ahh, no. This was the case maybe 20 years ago, but soceity is quickly dividing into the haves and the have nots. Those who have may subdivide themselves, but for the most part especially since the market crash the haves rally and support one another while the have nots continue to live fight and bicker like it was 20 years ago.

Those who have generally only want more, and have the business sense to be diverse enough to work with and cash in when and where ever they can. That is why race is not generally an issue. Those who have not hold on to the past, because this anger and hate is apart of them, and it is a lot easier to blame each other (other have nots of a different color) than to blame themselves for taking the easy out every chance they get.

You just conceded my point. So, thank you. In twenty years, after centuries of institutional racism, everything should have corrected itself? Twenty years. Listen to yourself. In what fantasy world do you live in? And the penal system, namely the so-called War on Drugs, still predominately targets minorities for "crimes" whites are equally likely to commit, while yet avoiding jail time, as current statistics demonstrate. The schools in many majority black communities remain in shambles and as Chuck pointed out already, the money in this country still primarily flows from the hands of white people to other white people.

[Drich]

Ahh, no. This was the case maybe 20 years ago, but soceity is quickly dividing into the haves and the have nots. Those who have may subdivide themselves, but for the most part especially since the market crash the haves rally and support one another while the have nots continue to live fight and bicker like it was 20 years ago.

Those who have generally only want more, and have the business sense to be diverse enough to work with and cash in when and where ever they can. That is why race is not generally an issue. Those who have not hold on to the past, because this anger and hate is apart of them, and it is a lot easier to blame each other (other have nots of a different color) than to blame themselves for taking the easy out every chance they get.

You just conceded my point. So, thank you. In twenty years, after centuries of institutional racism, everything should have corrected itself? Twenty years. Listen to yourself. In what fantasy world do you live in? And the penal system, namely the so-called War on Drugs, still predominately targets minorities for "crimes" whites are equally likely to commit, while yet avoiding jail time, as current statistics demonstrate. The schools in many majority black communities remain in shambles and as Chuck pointed out already, the money in this country still primarily flows from the hands of white people to other white people.

It seems you do not understand the arguement.

I am not saying the feelings of superority and persecution have not gone away by soceity as a whole. I am saying the major division is no longer determined by the color of skin like it was 20 years ago, unless you are still poor. Poor people still segergate themselves by skin color because they have no other way of hating each other. Rich people may still look at each other with a sideway glance, but money is the great equalizer. I don't think their isn't a white affluent man alive who would not kiss a black butt if it meant more money

So... No I did not conceed the arguement I simply added a variable you could not address.

[Mudhammam]

You just conceded my point. So, thank you. In twenty years, after centuries of institutional racism, everything should have corrected itself? Twenty years. Listen to yourself. In what fantasy world do you live in? And the penal system, namely the so-called War on Drugs, still predominately targets minorities for "crimes" whites are equally likely to commit, while yet avoiding jail time, as current statistics demonstrate. The schools in many majority black communities remain in shambles and as Chuck pointed out already, the money in this country still primarily flows from the hands of white people to other white people.

It seems you do not understand the arguement.

I am not saying the feelings of superority and persecution have not gone away by soceity as a whole.

It doesn't sound like you even know what you're saying. But if you're trying to say that feelings of superiority and persecution still exist, then yeah, that's true, for concrete reasons including those I mentioned that continue to factor into people's sentiments.

I am saying the major division is no longer determined by the color of skin like it was 20 years ago, unless you are still poor.

It's better than it was 20 years ago but there are still companies owned by whites that would hire a white person with less qualifications over a black person more qualified if only because they have stereotypical views of blacks. I used to work for a white person that didn't hide that fact (and I don't live in the South).

And poor communities tend to be majority white, right? No, they don't.

Poor people still segergate themselves by skin color because they have no other way of hating each other.

It seems like nobody has more hate (for poor people apparently) than people who express themselves with statements like this.

Rich people may still look at each other with a sideway glance, but money is the great equalizer. I don't think their isn't a white affluent man alive who would not kiss a black butt if it meant more money.

As they say, ignorance is bliss... because not only does your statement not correspond with the actual world, it doesn't negate the racism that still our poisons our institutions--whether financial (what percentage of blacks work on Wall Street?), educational (what percentage of blacks receive the same quality of education?), the courts (what percentage of blacks receive the same justice?), etc.

So... No I did not conceed the arguement I simply added a variable you could not address.

A rather irrelevant variable I might add.

[Drich]

It doesn't sound like you even know what you're saying. But if you're trying to say that feelings of superiority and persecution still exist, then yeah, that's true, for concrete reasons including those I mentioned that continue to factor into people's sentiments.

That is EXACTLY What I am saying. These feeling and want for segergation still exists. Race is no longer the catalyst. Whether one has money or not is the new 'racism' we are dealing with now.

It's better than it was 20 years ago but there are still companies owned by whites that would hire a white person with less qualifications over a black person more qualified if only because they have stereotypical views of blacks. I used to work for a white person that didn't hide that fact (and I don't live in the South).

What makes you think your singular experience is the rule and not one of the exceptions?

What makes you think your boss isn't simply a relic of a time that has long since past?
Because Al sharpton says so? He needs controversy to stay relevant, to be a leader, to rally power and support. He is trying to unite people under the idea of a tyranny that was mortally wounded in the 60's and is all but dead now...

In the sixties their were innocent people being dragged out in the middle of the night, and linched for simply being black... Look at what the rally call is now supporting. a guy who robs a store, and 30 mins later beats up a cop. Why? Because that is all the tyranny he can muster up! If black people were still being dragged out of their beds at night for being black do you think mike brown's name or situation would even be known?

News stories like this are ways to make money and accumiulate power, because people like you has an old school boss who still likes the n word.

And poor communities tend to be majority white, right? No, they don't.

OMG I thought the last thing you said was uninformed...

let's start with poverty percentages in how they relate to race:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_...Fethnicity

9.9% of all white persons
12.1% of all Asian persons
26.6% of all Hispanic persons (of any race)
28.4% of all black persons.

To someone looking to confirm his own bias, and personal experience these numbers would cause a cascade failure in one's thinking process resulting in the brain shutting down, leaving him with no other recourse than to say some thing as stupid as: "And poor communities tend to be majority white, right? No, they don't"

So the next thing a thinking person not looking to confirm or deny a bias would do is find out the actual census numbers and see what these percentages relat to.

As of 2010:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_American
There are 196,817,552 or 63.7% 'White' (non hispanic) Americans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American
38.9 Million/12% African Americans

Next we extrapolate the precentages that was given in our first pole from these numbers.

to do that we take 196,817,552 multiply it times .01/10% and we get 19.6 white americans living in poverty.
next we do the same for African Americans
38.9 million times .3 or 30% (instead of the 28.4)

Next we do the same for African Americans
38,900,000 that's 11.4 million people...

Nothing to shake a stick at but still almost 9 million people less than what you have had your brain washed to think.

So Yeah, there are far more trailer parks than 'projects' it would seem.

It seems like nobody has more hate (for poor people apparently) than people who express themselves with statements like this.

actually I 'hate' stupid people. Not ignorant nor just wrong about a given subject, but truly stupid people. those who think they know, and get in your face about what they think they know, and when challenged turn things personal, rather than address the topic. But that is neither here nor there.

To address your point, I used the terms 'rich and poor' because you did not seem to understand my orginal phrasing that describes the new form of 'raceism' this country is facing.

So yes to describe hate, one will have to assume the resonsiablity of said descriptions.

As they say, ignorance is bliss... because not only does your statement not correspond with the actual world, it doesn't negate the racism that still our poisons our institutions--whether financial (what percentage of blacks work on Wall Street?),

http://www.blackenterprise.com/mag/75-mo...-street-2/

educational (what percentage of blacks receive the same quality of education?),

seriously?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action

There are many who receive a quality education who do not deserve it. They often times bump a more qualified white student for enrolement when entering under this act.

I myself had an oppertunity to goto school (believe it or not, reading on a 4th grage level) over that of a far more qualified white student. I promptly refused, as that in my mind was not right. If I did not earn it I did not want it.

the courts (what percentage of blacks receive the same justice?), etc.

What happens in the courts is a direct reflection of a case by case inquery of guilt by a jury of one's peers.
I have sat a couple jurys and never once has race ever factored in. Their is either doubt, or no doubt based on evidence of a person's guilt.

Another thing I noticed is black people sit on jury's as well. all it takes is one out of 12 to keep someone out of prision. If it is as you say and there is a real 1960's injustice going on in the US then that one person could keep a great injustice from happening... So what does it say when a black person votes guilty after a trial?

Again you hear a 50 year rally cry who's time has all but past away.

Is their inequality in the US yes. Is it race based? not to the degree you think it is. Yes there are floaters still left in the bowl, but in time they too will be flushed away, unless people like you (guilty white americans) allow a power hungry politician guilt you into turning your brain off, and pig in a poke you into thinking it is still 1966.

Things aren't equal and in a caplist soceity they never will be. It is the segergation from the haves and have nots that makes this soceity work. Because we are a capital/money based soceity our proclivity to segergation, will/is also captial/money based. That term is refered to as Social Stratification

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_stratification

[Mudhammam]

It doesn't sound like you even know what you're saying. But if you're trying to say that feelings of superiority and persecution still exist, then yeah, that's true, for concrete reasons including those I mentioned that continue to factor into people's sentiments.

That is EXACTLY What I am saying. These feeling and want for segergation still exists. Race is no longer the catalyst. Whether one has money or not is the new 'racism' we are dealing with now.

It's better than it was 20 years ago but there are still companies owned by whites that would hire a white person with less qualifications over a black person more qualified if only because they have stereotypical views of blacks. I used to work for a white person that didn't hide that fact (and I don't live in the South).

What makes you think your singular experience is the rule and not one of the exceptions?

What makes you think your boss isn't simply a relic of a time that has long since past?
Because Al sharpton says so? He needs controversy to stay relevant, to be a leader, to rally power and support. He is trying to unite people under the idea of a tyranny that was mortally wounded in the 60's and is all but dead now...

In the sixties their were innocent people being dragged out in the middle of the night, and linched for simply being black... Look at what the rally call is now supporting. a guy who robs a store, and 30 mins later beats up a cop. Why? Because that is all the tyranny he can muster up! If black people were still being dragged out of their beds at night for being black do you think mike brown's name or situation would even be known?

News stories like this are ways to make money and accumiulate power, because people like you has an old school boss who still likes the n word.

And poor communities tend to be majority white, right? No, they don't.

OMG I thought the last thing you said was uninformed...

let's start with poverty percentages in how they relate to race:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_...Fethnicity

9.9% of all white persons
12.1% of all Asian persons
26.6% of all Hispanic persons (of any race)
28.4% of all black persons.

To someone looking to confirm his own bias, and personal experience these numbers would cause a cascade failure in one's thinking process resulting in the brain shutting down, leaving him with no other recourse than to say some thing as stupid as: "And poor communities tend to be majority white, right? No, they don't"

So the next thing a thinking person not looking to confirm or deny a bias would do is find out the actual census numbers and see what these percentages relat to.

As of 2010:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_American
There are 196,817,552 or 63.7% 'White' (non hispanic) Americans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American
38.9 Million/12% African Americans

Next we extrapolate the precentages that was given in our first pole from these numbers.

to do that we take 196,817,552 multiply it times .01/10% and we get 19.6 white americans living in poverty.
next we do the same for African Americans
38.9 million times .3 or 30% (instead of the 28.4)

Next we do the same for African Americans
38,900,000 that's 11.4 million people...

Nothing to shake a stick at but still almost 9 million people less than what you have had your brain washed to think.

So Yeah, there are far more trailer parks than 'projects' it would seem.

It seems like nobody has more hate (for poor people apparently) than people who express themselves with statements like this.

actually I 'hate' stupid people. Not ignorant nor just wrong about a given subject, but truly stupid people. those who think they know, and get in your face about what they think they know, and when challenged turn things personal, rather than address the topic. But that is neither here nor there.

To address your point, I used the terms 'rich and poor' because you did not seem to understand my orginal phrasing that describes the new form of 'raceism' this country is facing.

So yes to describe hate, one will have to assume the resonsiablity of said descriptions.

As they say, ignorance is bliss... because not only does your statement not correspond with the actual world, it doesn't negate the racism that still our poisons our institutions--whether financial (what percentage of blacks work on Wall Street?),

http://www.blackenterprise.com/mag/75-mo...-street-2/

educational (what percentage of blacks receive the same quality of education?),

seriously?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action

There are many who receive a quality education who do not deserve it. They often times bump a more qualified white student for enrolement when entering under this act.

I myself had an oppertunity to goto school (believe it or not, reading on a 4th grage level) over that of a far more qualified white student. I promptly refused, as that in my mind was not right. If I did not earn it I did not want it.

the courts (what percentage of blacks receive the same justice?), etc.

What happens in the courts is a direct reflection of a case by case inquery of guilt by a jury of one's peers.
I have sat a couple jurys and never once has race ever factored in. Their is either doubt, or no doubt based on evidence of a person's guilt.

Another thing I noticed is black people sit on jury's as well. all it takes is one out of 12 to keep someone out of prision. If it is as you say and there is a real 1960's injustice going on in the US then that one person could keep a great injustice from happening... So what does it say when a black person votes guilty after a trial?

Again you hear a 50 year rally cry who's time has all but past away.

Is their inequality in the US yes. Is it race based? not to the degree you think it is. Yes there are floaters still left in the bowl, but in time they too will be flushed away, unless people like you (guilty white americans) allow a power hungry politician guilt you into turning your brain off, and pig in a poke you into thinking it is still 1966.

Things aren't equal and in a caplist soceity they never will be. It is the segergation from the haves and have nots that makes this soceity work. Because we are a capital/money based soceity our proclivity to segergation, will/is also captial/money based. That term is refered to as Social Stratification

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_stratification

It would be too easy to dismiss you as simply blowing out smoke but when you go on ranting about Al Sharpton (what makes you think I give a shit about his opinion?) and "guilty white Americans" (strange, it's almost as if you felt 'challenged' and then turned 'things personal, rather than address the topic'), there's really no other phrase for what you're doing here.

As to your comments about wealth inequality being the "new racism," we have no disagreement there, but your delusional fantasy that minorities aren't disproportionately affected by it, as they always have been, is, somewhat hilariously enough, contradicted by the statistics you provided. So again, thanks for conceding my argument (which never was that the situation is as dire as 1966, but I appreciate the straw-man as demonstrating that you have no relevant argument to make here). You also failed to address the fact that blacks are far more likely to receive harsher sentences and end up in federal prison for offenses that whites are just as likely to commit. But honestly, I didn't really expect you to.

[Mister Agenda]

National poverty statistics really have no bearing on the question of whether predominantly poor communities are more or less likely to be majority white. That's not what those statistics are measuring.