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36 years to commit a murder
#11
RE: 36 years to commit a murder
I would imagine having a sword of Damocles hanging over you like that, real or not, would really affect your mind.
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#12
RE: 36 years to commit a murder
Yes. The parallel to 12 Stepping and HIV is not lost on me.
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#13
RE: 36 years to commit a murder
Something that bothers me is that poisoners are not usually caught with their first victim. It almost always involves a second death that appears to be from natural causes but arouses suspicion (lost two spouses in four years?) or an accidental poisoning of a third party (or the poisoner). So I can't help but wonder how many murderers use poison to kill one victim, never do it again, and are never caught.
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#14
RE: 36 years to commit a murder
In this case I think there is a strong concurrence that this was a first time poisoning. The creep tested the poison (amateurishly) on animals first and learned nothing from the experiment.

He had recently been hired at a lab and had just learned of the poisons specific lethality. Also, prior to the lab job, he was in prison for shooting up his girlfriends house. He actually wasn't considered a suspect at first as the detectives thought he was still incarcerated at the time of the poisoning.

Also, there wasn't anyone else in his life he would have felt strongly enough about to do something drastic. He killed himself 12 years later still obsessed with that girlfriend. It occurs to me he probably would have kept attempting to ruin her life, but most everyone else would have been safe around him, unless he perceived them as 'part of the situation'.

i agree though, this guy came pretty close to escaping detection. Getting the dosage 'right' (for his purposes) and he might have had a life of enjoying his girlfriends misery.

There undoubtedly are other poisoners out there that have gotten away with it.

We'll never know.
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#15
RE: 36 years to commit a murder
If you think long term poison is sick, look at some of the viral biological weapons developed by the Soviet Union during the Cold War, which were intended to menifest several stage of symptoms, each stage meant to defeat probable treatment against the previous stage. The intention was keep the victim very sick for 12-18 month before killing them. The agent is designed to allow the victim to show superficial signs of recovery from time to time, in order for the victim to absorb the maximum amount of health care resources as they suffer the long death.
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#16
RE: 36 years to commit a murder
(September 29, 2014 at 11:16 am)vorlon13 Wrote: The chemical is used in cancer research to cause cancer in lab rats. Potent shit and it is rapidly metabolized by the body and leaves no trace.
Yep, most toxic chemicals will be completely metabolised and leave no trace in your living tissue, assuming that it doesn't kill you before this can happen (although this can take different lengths of time, and sometimes traces can be left in things like hair follicles or dead skin cells).

Sounds like if he didn't have access to the chemical he wouldn't have committed the crime, but that he would have probably committed a different crime at some point.

Professional assassinations done by intelligence agents often use toxic chemicals, because even if you find the chemical there's no way to trace it to a single person/source unlike say a bullet or another distinct murder weapon.
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#17
RE: 36 years to commit a murder
In the case of the Russians, they like to use poisons of exotic nature, often with sophisticated means of delivery, which eliminates just about any possible origin other than a sophisticated poisoning lab ran by the former KGB. They might have hidden their trails better if they used more conventional poisons.
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#18
RE: 36 years to commit a murder
When reading the thread title, was I the only one who thought....

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RE: 36 years to commit a murder
(September 29, 2014 at 11:19 am)vorlon13 Wrote: Yes. The parallel to 12 Stepping and HIV is not lost on me.

What? Huh
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#20
RE: 36 years to commit a murder
I'm old enough to have predated the HIV test. Lived several years with a strong belief I was HIV+, even did my first 6 months of 12 Steppers with that assumption.

And recently at 12 Steppers we had (another) individual find out his years of drinking and drugging have taken a much more serious toll on his body than any of us suspected. Despite several years of sobriety, 'T' has had some very bad news from his doctors and will probably not be around a year from now. Beating cirrhosis to get to live long enough to get metastatic liver cancer is a mixed blessing, so to speak.

That sort of thing can happen. Quitting bad habits can allow your system to seemingly recover, but if the damage is severe enough, it can still come back and wreak havoc. Not a common meeting topic, but we all are aware of what can happen.

We've had other conditions turn up, there are 2 I see from time to time with tardive dyskinesia. It's not fatal, but it can be a stigma.
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