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Does the New Testament contain sexism?
#21
RE: Does the New Testament contain sexism?
That's not what we're talking about
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#22
RE: Does the New Testament contain sexism?
Genkaus I do whatever needs done around the house.

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#23
RE: Does the New Testament contain sexism?
(October 10, 2014 at 2:18 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: “No one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who had been redeemed from the earth. It is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are chaste…” Revelation 14:3-4
This could refer to defilement of self by acts of fornication without actually speaking to relative of women.

I don't care about the rest. The Epistles aren't part of the New Church canon.
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#24
RE: Does the New Testament contain sexism?
Is that a sect I've never heard of or what?
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#25
RE: Does the New Testament contain sexism?
(October 10, 2014 at 4:45 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: You know for some reason I haven't learnt how to memorise the entire Bible, what is wrong with saying parents should look after their children, because if the don't it is called child neglecting

What's wrong is the assumption that when they say parents, they mean mothers. Does your religion place a higher burden on women when it comes to looking after the children than it does on men?

(October 10, 2014 at 4:50 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: Genkaus I do whatever needs done around the house.

Who cooks your meals in the house? Who does the laundry? Who cleans the place?
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#26
RE: Does the New Testament contain sexism?
My parents and myself

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#27
RE: Does the New Testament contain sexism?
(October 10, 2014 at 2:18 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: As a secularist, my view is that Christianity indeed deserves credit for giving women a more respected position in the Church than what was typically accepted in their culture....[but]....the New Testament, while it contains some of this progression, is not the end-all-be-all of moral instruction that we would expect it to be if it was the infallible word of God.

There's also the widespread pro-feminist historical view about how pre-Abrahamic, paleolithic cultures likely adored women, had women as leaders of their faith, and even represented their creator god(s) as feminine -- and that Christianity and the other Abrahamic faiths largely developed their patriarchical stucture, including their retrograde positions on women and sex, largely as a method to distinguish their 'newer' religion from the better estalished 'dirty-sex-crazed-heathen wymen cults'
that came before them.

I don't know if there is enough real evidence to establish quite all that, but if that idea generally reflects reality during paleolithic times, one might even reconsider any 'deserved progression' re: women found in the New Testament and Christianity, as little more than a small mound at the bottom of a very deep valley, when considering the longer view of human cultural development.
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RE: Does the New Testament contain sexism?
(October 10, 2014 at 5:28 pm)HopOnPop Wrote:
(October 10, 2014 at 2:18 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: As a secularist, my view is that Christianity indeed deserves credit for giving women a more respected position in the Church than what was typically accepted in their culture....[but]....the New Testament, while it contains some of this progression, is not the end-all-be-all of moral instruction that we would expect it to be if it was the infallible word of God.

There's also the widespread pro-feminist historical view about how pre-Abrahamic, paleolithic cultures likely adored women, had women as leaders of their faith, and even represented their creator god(s) as feminine -- and that Christianity and the other Abrahamic faiths largely developed their patriarchical stucture, including their retrograde positions on women and sex, largely as a method to distinguish their 'newer' religion from the better estalished 'dirty-sex-crazed-heathen wymen cults'
that came before them.

I don't know if there is enough real evidence to establish quite all that, but if that idea generally reflects reality during paleolithic times, one might even reconsider any 'deserved progression' re: women found in the New Testament and Christianity, as little more than a small mound at the bottom of a very deep valley, when considering the longer view of human cultural development.
Some pagan cultures were like that, like the Etruscans and the Egyptians, also the the Germanic tribes were less sexist then the Romans they fought. On the other hand some pagan cultures were quite sexist, like the Romans and Greeks.
So really I think Christianity's sexism has two sources first is the Hebrew base of the religion,which derives its sexism from being a tribalistic desert culture, much like mongols and Arabs of later periods. Second source is the Hellenistic culture that dominated intellectual thought at the time of Christ. However of you really want a glimpse of paleolithic culture, then I suggest you look at native American culture, because they were essentially a paleo/Mesolithic culture for many years after the Europeans came. I have to say that from what I have studied of their old culture it is absolutely fascinating, and their way of viewing the world was far more enlightened then Christianity. Really makes my blood boil to think about the systematic dismantling of their culture in religion run schools.
However such cultures predate Christianity in Christian dominated places by a huge margin so that profeminist view is really over simplistic. More likely is that repressing women is a effective way to repress a society as a whole, the Christian church wrote the damn book on repressing a population effectively.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: Does the New Testament contain sexism?
(October 10, 2014 at 6:05 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: ...However of you really want a glimpse of paleolithic culture, then I suggest you look at native American culture, because they were essentially a paleo/Mesolithic culture for many years after the Europeans came. I have to say that from what I have studied of their old culture it is absolutely fascinating, and their way of viewing the world was far more enlightened then Christianity.

I very much agree with that sentiment too -- but, on the other hand, Christian enlightenment (or that of any of the Abrahamic faiths for that matter) doesn't set a very high bar in the first place. Given the simple fact that all Abrahamic faiths were birthed from the same harsh and ugly time in Levantine history -- when all the ancient Empires that came before them slowly collapsed into chaos only to have the scraps of these empires constantly whip and pummel that entire area relentlessly for close to a thousand years -- enlightment likely was not a tool that lead to survival back then. In my opinion, this is why all three of these Abrahamic cultures that managed to survive to the modern age remain rather unenlightened -- they literally dragged forward to the present day, a rather misguided fondness for much of the hell from which they came -- by codifying it and labelling it "faith." (as the OP so rightly exemplifies in the chosen citations).

It would seem that the evolutionary processes behind the survival of the most fit societies does not differ all that much from those processes that lead to survival of life itself. Both processes seem, all too often, to value violence over enlightenment.
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#30
RE: Does the New Testament contain sexism?
The idea of gods AND goddesses was common throughout the ancient world.

Right off the bat you have to know that any society which has one goddess is going to be less sexist that this orthodox jew shit which morphed into the other abominations of jesusism and mohamadism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vestal_Virgin

Quote:In ancient Roman religion, the Vestals or Vestal Virgins (Vestales, singular Vestalis), were priestesses of Vesta, goddess of the hearth. The College of the Vestals and its well-being was regarded as fundamental to the continuance and security of Rome. They cultivated the sacred fire that was not allowed to go out. The Vestals were freed of the usual social obligations to marry and bear children, and took a vow of chastity in order to devote themselves to the study and correct observance of state rituals that were off-limits to the male colleges of priests.[1]
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