What's your opinion of sharking?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Try it this way - if you DON'T charge teens with a crime for sharking, how the fuck are they supposed to get on in the adult world? I'm not a big fan of the slippery slope argument, but punishment is part of the learning curve one needs to become an adult. The notion that taking off a woman's clothes in public is some sort of harmless prank is going to convince the people who do it that it is, in fact, harmless. It isn't. At the very least, it qualifies as common assault.

For what it's worth, anyone who tries this with my wife is going to get stomped medium flat.

Boru

[Esquilax]

I'm gonna put it in simple words so please spare me the future misunderstanding please:
I am more tolerable to teens pranks and mistakes than to adults. I support trying to help a teen criminal.

And this is my point: there is a threshold beyond which the "boys will be boys" excuse no longer flies, and I would suggest that threshold is around the point where the boys start assaulting people.

I get it, I get it, they're kids and they're stupid. But at a certain point "I'm young!" is no longer a mitigating factor.

[Bibliofagus]

It's assault. It's a major invasion of privacy. Since we're talking about publshing footage of naked - teenage - girls on the internet it's childs porn.
The footage will never go away, and might well bite the victim in the arse later on in life - as she can be extorted over it when looking for a job or trying to get into a new social circle.

The footage will be viewed by her peers straight away, with all consequences that can have in the here and now.

Amanda Todd comes to mind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej7afkypUsc

I'm at a loss how somebody could call this a 'prank'. What's next? Prank rapes?

[Alex K]

Don't say that, I understand the sentiment, but it's too close to victim blaming.

...... How is that victim blaming in the slightest?

Like this - your statement

Not to mention if the woman has any kind of spirit and self respect she should hit you.

can be read as follows: if a woman is assaulted and does not physically defend herself immediately, she either has no spirit or self-respect, or didn't care or even likes it. This kind of thing is levelled against victims of abuse so often to question their motives and to play down the severity of the assault, that it's not even funny.

p.s. I'm not saying you are a horrible person and a sexist

[Zidneya]

Try it this way - if you DON'T charge teens with a crime for sharking, how the fuck are they supposed to get on in the adult world?

I gotta ask when I say understanding and tolerable does that mean that Im willing to let go ever drug blackout rapist walk free down the street?
It' all the same with you isn't it black or white. Condemned them with all the force of the law or don't condemn them at all isn't it? (And I'm the crazy one? I fell sorry for your kids) Shorter sentences, let the go with a warning, convince them to talk to a counselor, therapy, group sessions MORE TOLERABLE DOESN'T MEAN ALL FORGIVING YOU ALL BUNCH OF EMBITTERED FACES!!

I'm not a big fan of the slippery slope argument, but punishment is part of the learning curve one needs to become an adult.

Really? No kidding are you serious?

The notion that taking off a woman's clothes in public is some sort of harmless prank is going to convince the people who do it that it is, in fact, harmless. It isn't.

Did I ever said it was harmless?

For what it's worth, anyone who tries this with my wife is going to get stomped medium flat.

Is that supposed to scare me? Because that keep me thinking, is your wife hot? But don't worry I'll never do that to her. I'll just do the traditional way, seduce her, make her succumb into an affair, but no sharking. So you can feel relieved.

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And this is my point: there is a threshold beyond which the "boys will be boys" excuse no longer flies, and I would suggest that threshold is around the point where the boys start assaulting people.

So that's to the question:
Am I the only one in this forum who made pranks and mistakes in his youth and enjoyed them, regret them and therefor learn to show more empathy to teenagers since I know from personal experience how confusing, exiting and those years were?
That a No from Esquilax I assume.

I get it, I get it, they're kids they're stupid.

Yet you have made very clear that you don't want to treat them as kids.

But at a certain point "I'm young!" is no longer a mitigating factor.

Different people mature at a different rhythm so assuming that a certain age every person should be treated was an adult an therefor that goes for anyone is silly. So imparting a fair justice to all teens is impossible but apparently being more understanding and tolerable with them is a sin around here.

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It's assault. It's a major invasion of privacy. Since we're talking about publshing footage of naked - teenage - girls on the internet it's childs porn. I'm at a loss how somebody could call this a 'prank'. What's next? Prank rapes?

An therefore it's pedophilia, voyeurism, a net of child abuse, of depravity that will lead a bunch of teens to anarchy terrorism they will exterminate us, kill us, destroy the human race, eradicate the life on the planet, and destroy this world, the whole solar system will be destroyed, and then the galaxy. The universe as we know it will change forever.

The footage will never go away, and might well bite the victim in the arse later on in life

I was bullied a lot AND I MEAN A LOT! when I was a child. So I can understand how traumatic this must be for the victim. But I'm not gonna sent a kid to prison just because of a prank. I move on I know that a kind doing a prank isn't a potential rapist.
Besides, what you think that a teen criminal don't have feelings as well? That a teen criminal can't be confused? That if we don't punish the they won't feel empathy at all? They are still human being. And not only human being but teenagers(no seriously I feel sorry for your kids, if they ever make mistake I hope the have a bunch of loyal friend because with parents like you I will be traumatic for me growing up knowing that if I screw something up my family it's gonna crucify me, and I will hate them for that).
You showed me a video that shows empathy to a bullied person, therefore I'll show you a video that shows empathy to a bully.




A great deal of people who want justice in the world what they really want is to get even with the world. And the clearest proof of that they are not willing to accept the punishment and repentance are two totally different concepts. Or that one can't happen without the other.

BUT LIKE I SAID BEFORE (because I already know there is someone willing to twist what I just wrote) JUST BECAUSE I'M WILLING TO BE INDULGENT THAT DOESN'T MEAN I'M WILLING TO THIS ASSAULTS GO UNPUNISHED.

[Bibliofagus]

It's assault. It's a major invasion of privacy. Since we're talking about publshing footage of naked - teenage - girls on the internet it's childs porn. I'm at a loss how somebody could call this a 'prank'. What's next? Prank rapes?

An therefore it's pedophilia, voyeurism, a net of child abuse, of depravity that will lead a bunch of teens to anarchy terrorism they will exterminate us, kill us, destroy the human race, eradicate the life on the planet, and destroy this world, the whole solar system will be destroyed, and then the galaxy. The universe as we know it will change forever.

Not sure what you mean here. Are you saying footage of underaged naked girls is not child porn because it doesn't 'destroy the human race'?

I mean: wtf?

The footage will never go away, and might well bite the victim in the arse later on in life

I was bullied a lot AND I MEAN A LOT! when I was a child. So I can understand how traumatic this must be for the victim. But I'm not gonna sent a kid to prison just because of a prank.

It's not a prank. It's the publishing of fucking child's porn.

I move on I know that a kind doing a prank isn't a potential rapist.

Well... If you think the publishing of child's porn can be classified as a 'prank', I'm wondering what else you could lump into that category.

Besides, what you think that a teen criminal don't have feelings as well?

No. Where did you get that?

That a teen criminal can't be confused?

No. Where did you get that?

That if we don't punish the they won't feel empathy at all?

They didn't feel any empathy before assaulting the woman and becoming a publisher of child's porn, so I'm wondering why you think they will afterwards.

They are still human being. And not only human being but teenagers(no seriously I feel sorry for your kids, if they ever make mistake.

If my kids ever publish naked footage of underage girls on the web, there will be serious consequences. I'd sure as hell take em to the cops. They would get therapy. All internetpriviledges will be taken away.

I hope the have a bunch of loyal friend because with parents like you

You don't know shit about me. You didn't even bother to ask me what I would do, but instead you just choose to make some shit up.

But hey. Are you saying my friends should undermine my authority over my kids like this?

I will be traumatic for me growing up knowing that if I screw something up my family it's gonna crucify me, and I will hate them for that).

I'm not saying kids should be 'crucified' over - any - misstep. I'm not even saying they should be punished as hard as an adult. All I'm saying is that 'sharking' is assault and publishing footage of sharking is publishing footage of underaged naked girls. Which in my country is called 'child's porn'.

[Esquilax]

So that's to the question:
Am I the only one in this forum who made pranks and mistakes in his youth and enjoyed them, regret them and therefor learn to show more empathy to teenagers since I know from personal experience how confusing, exiting and those years were?
That a No from Esquilax I assume.

Actually, it kinda is: I was a pretty well behaved kid, all's told. But your question does lead to another question: do pranks for you always entail the forcible manhandling and molestation of strangers?

Your insistence that these are just pranks is merely a repeated assertion that fails as a response because it doesn't address the concerns we're all having; you say that these are pranks. We disagree. Continuing to call them pranks, from my point of view, is simply you continuing to do the problematic thing that caused me to speak up in the first place, namely downplaying the severity of what's going on.

Yet you have made very clear that you don't want to treat them as kids.

Yes. When you commit an adult crime, you have left the area of social niceties where you can be treated with kid gloves.

Oh, and also? Just so we're clear: this is not just kids. There is porn of this shit.

Different people mature at a different rhythm so assuming that a certain age every person should be treated was an adult an therefor that goes for anyone is silly. So imparting a fair justice to all teens is impossible but apparently being more understanding and tolerable with them is a sin around here.

"Your honor, I should be tried as though I were a teenager!"

"But you're forty years old!"

"Yes, but I'm young at heart!"

At what point do you stop, with reasoning like that? And why?

[robvalue]

I think this is disgusting behaviour, and should be punished accordingly.

[DramaQueen]

I've never done a prank, it's too much drama anyway

[bennyboy]

I'd say the punishment should fit the crime: maybe 24 hours in stockades in a public square in their birthday suit. I think that would teach them quickly enough what humor is not.