To explain knowledge of God

[Surgenator]

For the ones who know me I'm not back, I left with something left unanswered and thought I would answer.
Many asked me how I could possibly have knowledge of God's existence and the answer is the NT teaches this, Christians can know and have knowledge of God. You guys want to throw out that all we can have is faith and the NT just doesn't teach that. Our faith is in the hope that God will do those things He has promised to do for Christians, this is what our faith is about and the NT teaches this very thing. So in short those who are Christians will have the knowledge God exists and will have faith that He will continue to keep His promises as he did in the past. I trust that He is not a liar and so far His record holds true. Read the NT and find these simple facts, they are there if you have the courage to look and are as open minded as you claim, which I have my doubts about the open mindedness.

GC

In summary, I really really really wish it to be true so it is.

[Crossless2.0]

Wait, so did Drich say other religions are the work of Satan's deception?

That seems to be the case. I didn't expect anything else from Drich. His only alternatives were to acknowledge the validity of those experiences or to postulate that 'experiences of the divine' are common human experiences that are not really based on supernatural causes -- neither of which his religion will allow.

When you're knee deep in bullshit and can't walk away, all you can do is shovel some more and hope that others don't notice the stench.

[FatAndFaithless]

But he also said that

for someone who does not know any better, what other choice do they have but believe whatever the supernature tells them?

So, Muslims and Hindus aren't at fault for being deceived, since they're simply listening to the supernatural (Satan) that is causing their spiritual experience. Does that mean that Muslims and Hindus are getting salvation as well, since it's none of their own fault they haven't sought jesus as that choice was never presented to them? Or does God punish those who had no choice to begin with, as well?

[Crossless2.0]

But he also said that

for someone who does not know any better, what other choice do they have but believe whatever the supernature tells them?

So, Muslims and Hindus aren't at fault for being deceived, since they're simply listening to the supernatural (Satan) that is causing their spiritual experience. Does that mean that Muslims and Hindus are getting salvation as well, since it's none of their own fault they haven't sought jesus as that choice was never presented to them? Or does God punish those who had no choice to begin with, as well?

Since we are all unspeakably corrupt and deserving of hell straight from the womb, according to this sick faith, I doubt 'having a choice' or not really matters. But I'll let God's own mind reader spin this one.

[FatAndFaithless]

Yeah. Can't wait to see the justification of sending Muslims to hell if Satan deceived them all, which is apparently not their fault. Satan too powerful for widdle baby God?

[Drich]

What about Christians who are agnostic and aren't seeking this undeniable incontrovertible proof of God because they don't think that's what God provides? Where are they on your God-sin spectrum in terms of "where their hearts lie", if they aren't seeking your proof?

It's a very simple equasion. either you seek God or you do not. If Agnostics seek God then they will follow what He has provided. If pride has them hold to their own philosphies over what God has provided then they do not seek God.

To truly seek God we must be able to look past ourselves and our comfort zones.

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That would include 39,999 of the 40,000 Christian ones alone.

Breathtaking in how steeped the world is in sin. Can Satan be beat ??

Satan is not a force persay. Satan offer alternitives to redemption. Often one form of justification or another. To over come these justifications one must simply own up to what he has done and seek redemption.

[FatAndFaithless]

So..if someone spend their entire life as an agnostic Christian and dies one, they obviously weren't seeking God, is that right? What happens to those who don't seek God?

[Thumpalumpacus]

For the ones who know me I'm not back, I left with something left unanswered and thought I would answer.
Many asked me how I could possibly have knowledge of God's existence and the answer is the NT teaches this, Christians can know and have knowledge of God. You guys want to throw out that all we can have is faith and the NT just doesn't teach that. Our faith is in the hope that God will do those things He has promised to do for Christians, this is what our faith is about and the NT teaches this very thing. So in short those who are Christians will have the knowledge God exists and will have faith that He will continue to keep His promises as he did in the past. I trust that He is not a liar and so far His record holds true. Read the NT and find these simple facts, they are there if you have the courage to look and are as open minded as you claim, which I have my doubts about the open mindedness.

GC

As a former SoB myself, I'm pretty comfortable telling you to take your patronizing assumptions and stick them where the sun don't shine.

I don't have faith. That doesn't mean I haven't read the Bible ... it only means I'm not so gullible.

[Drich]

This would be a valid Arguement if said proof was not offered to anyone who didnot A/S/K for it. As it is you do not have proof because you have not followed the prescription to receive it.

Ah, presuppositionalism at its finest!
You presume it must work if it is tried, therefore I either didn't try or didn't do it right.

You always go full circular and you can never see it. Stunningly obtuse.

Your speaking in a past tense, therefore you did not 'do it right.'

I have spoken to hundreds of you personally (over the years and various websites) on what you have done specifically, not one of you has A/S/K'ed as outlined in luke 11. Not once. You all believe it to be about sincerity or checking off items on a check list. Therefore your efforts always have a start point and an end. This method disqualifies you each and every time.

[Natachan]

"It would be convenient for me if God exists."

Yeah, so what?