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RE: Dems need to do better and can do better.
October 23, 2014 at 11:08 am
Inre minimum wage;
how it won't trigger higher prices and negate itself is a mystery to me.
lowering governmental overhead, redundancy, overhead, waste, inefficiency, overhead, redundancy, fraud, overhead, stupidity, redundancy, duplication and overhead will put money in everyone's pockets except for all the 'tards that benefit from the current clusterfuck way of doing things.
And that course is guaranteed.
I don't think there are too many McDonalds managed as poorly as the US government, and the payoff for fixing the government is SO much bigger.
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RE: Dems need to do better and can do better.
October 23, 2014 at 11:14 am
I think you miss the concept of climate. Can it happen? Vs, do we have to let that happen. Yea higher prices can happen but not because it is moral, it still amounts to greed and only policy changes can stop that. Other countries do fine without the pay gap and the cost of living is also better. So it is not a matter of the rich fucking crybabies not having the ability, but not wanting to.
If they want to play that game they can, but the more people who stand up to it the more things can change. Workers will always outnumber owners.
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RE: Dems need to do better and can do better.
October 23, 2014 at 11:24 am
I don't think that raising the minimum wage is going to make prices go up by an equal amount. If the minimum wage doesn't keep up with inflation, then it's not doing any good.
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RE: Dems need to do better and can do better.
October 23, 2014 at 11:43 am
(October 23, 2014 at 11:01 am)Brian37 Wrote: Sorry, we tried "fuck you I got mine" for 30 years and all that did was increase the pay gap, ship jobs overseas. Now if big corporations don't want government on their back then they have the power to do the right thing on their own. But they do not get dictate to the rest of us.
Ayn Rand economics is bullshit and is simply a race for cheap labor.
Voting is not robbery, neither are taxes.
Whats wrong with people oversees having jobs? Why are we entitled to jobs and they are not?
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October 23, 2014 at 12:01 pm
We need those jobs so the economy doesn't suffer. We need money funneling back into our own economy. That's how it works. The people with money create jobs so that the workers can make money to spend locally. Why would you prefer jobs going oversees instead of staying here? So that people who already have money can save more?
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RE: Dems need to do better and can do better.
October 23, 2014 at 12:08 pm
(October 23, 2014 at 12:01 pm)Chad32 Wrote: We need those jobs so the economy doesn't suffer. We need money funneling back into our own economy. That's how it works. The people with money create jobs so that the workers can make money to spend locally. Why would you prefer jobs going oversees instead of staying here? So that people who already have money can save more?
I see, you want you and your friends to have jobs and be rich and don't give a rats ass about the poor people over seas. Don't you think that's being greedy?
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October 23, 2014 at 12:14 pm
Yes I prioritize on myself and my family first in my personal life, and I believe a country should prioritize on itsself first before worrying about other countries. Fix your own problems before offering to fix other people's problems. If that sounds like greed to you, then there's nothing I can do about it. I'm not arguing for isolationism, but I'd rather we get our economy to thrive again before funneling jobs and money towards other economies.
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October 23, 2014 at 12:16 pm
(October 23, 2014 at 11:43 am)Heywood Wrote: (October 23, 2014 at 11:01 am)Brian37 Wrote: Sorry, we tried "fuck you I got mine" for 30 years and all that did was increase the pay gap, ship jobs overseas. Now if big corporations don't want government on their back then they have the power to do the right thing on their own. But they do not get dictate to the rest of us.
Ayn Rand economics is bullshit and is simply a race for cheap labor.
Voting is not robbery, neither are taxes.
Whats wrong with people oversees having jobs? Why are we entitled to jobs and they are not?
Who the fuck said they shouldn't have jobs? I said it should not be a race to the bottom for cheap labor. And why is it our job to provide their countries with livable wages? Globally speaking it is the world's responsibility to create economic stability, not compete to create more poverty.
We are the same species, so WE can chose which direction we go. We can let the wealthy suck the money up to fewer people at the expense of others, or they can use that wealth to improve the human condition.
Your black and white thinking is what your problem is. It is not a matter of hating wealth, or creating a nanny state. But it does matter how our economy works and if better standards is what the west have, our wealth has no right to destroy that.
Our wealth are a bunch of fucking crybabies, who WILL NOT end up on cat food if they do the right thing. That bullshit is just their excuse to put profits before humans.
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October 23, 2014 at 12:19 pm
I see this happen sometimes. I'll say I disagree with something, and someone will go way to the extreme with it. Oh I guess I just don't want a single job going oversees. Oh I didn't like a downer ending to a book series, so I wanted it to end with frolicking in the flowers and everyone hugging trees. I don't know why some people think in extremes. Is that what Strawmaning is?
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RE: Dems need to do better and can do better.
October 23, 2014 at 12:20 pm
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(October 23, 2014 at 12:14 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Yes I prioritize on myself and my family first in my personal life, and I believe a country should prioritize on itsself first before worrying about other countries. Fix your own problems before offering to fix other people's problems. If that sounds like greed to you, then there's nothing I can do about it. I'm not arguing for isolationism, but I'd rather we get our economy to thrive again before funneling jobs and money towards other economies.
Well your just as greedy as those business owners who don't want to raise minimum wage. Aren't they prioritizing themselves and their family's first?
I don't think you people on the left realize your own hypocrisy.
(October 23, 2014 at 12:19 pm)Chad32 Wrote: I see this happen sometimes. I'll say I disagree with something, and someone will go way to the extreme with it. Oh I guess I just don't want a single job going oversees. Oh I didn't like a downer ending to a book series, so I wanted it to end with frolicking in the flowers and everyone hugging trees. I don't know why some people think in extremes. Is that what Strawmaning is?
Well your midset is completely wrong. Its not that we are "shipping" jobs overseas. Its that people overseas want those jobs more than we do so they are willing to work for less...so why shouldn't they get them? Your answer is you want you and your friends and family to have them for no other reason than pure selfish greed.
Its not strawmanning. Its exposing your hypocrisy. You are just as greedy as everyone else, and you want to manipulate government policy to satisfy your greed at the expense of others.
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