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One world government?
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RE: One world government?
(October 27, 2014 at 11:14 am)paulpablo Wrote:
(October 26, 2014 at 8:42 pm)smithers Wrote: Has anyone ever thought about this?

Possibly Hitler, some Muslims, maybe Japan, probably loads of emperors, the Brain from pinky and the brain, definitely, he tried a new plan every night.

You forgot the prime contenders: Google and Facebook
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#42
RE: One world government?
(October 27, 2014 at 11:14 am)paulpablo Wrote:
(October 26, 2014 at 8:42 pm)smithers Wrote: Has anyone ever thought about this?

Possibly Hitler, some Muslims, maybe Japan, probably loads of emperors, the Brain from pinky and the brain, definitely, he tried a new plan every night.


I notice how you left Christianity out of this list, even though an idiotic ignoramus calling himself "Christian" thoughtfully reminded us.

To be factual, neither hitler's Germany nor imperial Japan ever aspired towards s truly overarching ideology, and therefor neither actually envisioned true world conquest. That was allied propaganda. They both envisioned just a national ideology that involve aggrandizement sufficient make them economically supreme and militarily unassailable by peer powers. But they both did envision continued existence of other peer powers even after the completion of their program of aggrandizements. This is not quite the same as world conquest and world government.

The only forces in history, since Alexander the great and genghis khan who really pursued world conquest and total subjugation of all peoples and total exclusion of all competitors to their own influences anywhere in the world have all been overarching and over ambitious ideologies or theologies. Communism, Christianity, and Islam are the only three forces I can think of that truly aspired towards global conquest, domination and total exclusion of all other ideologies and governments incompatible to its own exercise of influence anywhere in the world.
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#43
RE: One world government?
(October 27, 2014 at 9:19 am)Heywood Wrote:
(October 26, 2014 at 11:16 pm)smithers Wrote: Okay, so how different would things have to be for a one world government to work? How radical of a change do you think society would have to undergo for it to be possible? Or, regardless of any sort of change, would a one world government simply not be the ideal situation for world peace and consensus?

It might happen when everyone starts speaking the same language. Right now there are about 7000 languages spoken in the world. In about a 100 years it will be around 3500. Eventually it might come down to one language.

I doubt that. New languages are still being constructed, current languages are evolving, and you're not taking any note of historical events which sunder the exchange of ideas which is what is fueling the current conglomeration of language.

(October 27, 2014 at 9:37 am)Chuck Wrote: BTW, a world in which both wealth are taxed heavily and people no longer feels the need to control other people is a word in which the most effective and enduring fundamental reason for and method of progress would have been removed.

Not only that; the double premise ignores the fact that heavy taxation is in itself a method of control. This contradiction renders the point nugatory.

(October 27, 2014 at 9:54 am)Chuck Wrote:
(October 26, 2014 at 8:42 pm)smithers Wrote: Or how would it NOT work? What flaws would a one world government have?

the greatest failing of a single world government is it would have little or no incentive to carry out multiple simultaneous experiments in different forms of government as Is carried out on earth today with different political and economic systems is autonomous nation states. As a result the world government would have poor capabilities in assess how changing social outlook, demographics, technology, economic structure and so forth should effect how how it governs. Such a government would likely fall increasingly upon founding documents, rigid principles, ideological dogma, and traditional ways of doing things to justify itself because it would lack clear experimental guidance on how it should change to best lead a changing world.

A world government may well come close to being founded upon the governmental wisdom of humanity as these have accumulated up to the moment of the world government's founding. As a result it well work reasonably well at the beginning and better than majority of the national governments it supplanted, and thus become instrumental in securing a period of unusual prosperity, stability and progress after its founding. But eventually its own monolithic nature would prevent it from adapting to the progress which it may itself have facilitated or promoted, or which may have happened out of its control, and it would become increasingly a burden to greater and greater segments of the population and economy.m

So you might say a world government can give humanity a lot, by extracting all the golden eggs that are in the goose at the moment the world government killed the goose.

You sure are a smart sonofabitch.

(October 27, 2014 at 10:19 am)Stimbo Wrote:
(October 26, 2014 at 9:51 pm)Christian Wrote: Time in nigh.

But I'm holding on.
I wanna be your number one.
Number one - number one.

But, are you the kind of girl who gives up just like that ... on love?


(October 27, 2014 at 11:07 am)Chuck Wrote: That major governments are concerned with threats posed by other governments in most cases would seem to make them act more repressively than it otherwise would towards its own citizens. So a world government would be less repressive simpky because it lacks such external threat

However, I think that's ignoring the fact that people thirst for freedom, and power-cliques thirst for power. The zero-sum game that comes to hand at that point means that the power-cliques can only extract power by the reduction of freedoms, and that forces a confrontation sooner or later -- witness the Soviet Union, a massive government for a massive country with a massive population which was unable to control the tides of emotion which ran through it: samizdat percolated ideas throughout the society despite the repression-state's best efforts, rebellions happened even in labor camps meant to "reeducate" miscreants, and in the end, even the politicians understood that to stand against the people meant career, and perhaps existential, suicide; so Yeltsin clambered aboard a tank and gave the people a voice, for better or worse.

The point is, monoliths crumble, with the passage of time. In politics and in psychology as well as in physics, entropy claims its fees in the end.

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