Atheism = Desperation

[WinterHold]

Put simply, atheism is just a position on one single question: Do you believe a God exists? There is no dogma or doctrine or methods or commandments or impetus to do anything, nor is there justification in atheism for any action. Atheism can't motivate an action (bad OR good) because it's literally just the lack of a belief. Actions are motivated by beliefs, and atheism is the lack belief.

Islam on the other hand, does have a proscribed method of moral life and does encourage its followers to do certain things.

Eventually an atheist MUST obey a doctrine of law, either it's a nationalist constitution or a gang's law. Hippie atheists are a different case ; even these will have to obey society laws -at least their own hippie society-.

It's a void point. Because simply, you will obey a law if you wanted a society. So even atheists obey laws which dictates them to do certain things.

Sometimes these laws are driven from communism. Some other times they are derived from capitalism. It depends.

[Bad Wolf]

Which is simply uncreative and stupid ; too. To copycat I mean.
The goal is not determined by us. The goal is what the implementation of the design actually "does".

A statue doesn't do anything. It doesn't mean anything if there isn't anyone there to understand it's meaning. And yet a statue would still be classified as 'designed' even if every human on earth were to disappear. So the way you recognize design is wrong.

And for god sake, learn how to quote.

[FifthElement]

So, you too are here to strengthen your believe, or convince others to carry it.

Nope.

I'm here because I dare to doubt anything, including Gods (non)existence.

I'm here because of stigma against nonbelievers in USA (and in the rest of the world).

I do not wish to convince others to think the way I do, but it would make me happy if I helped someone to think for them self...

[warlocksarebest]

Did you get hit in the head or something?

lol, I think so.

[Mister Agenda]

An atheist needs a political system based also on pure atheism -like communism-, let us not forget that the communist parties require a person to be atheist/irreligious to carry on the missions of the party.

No, an atheist does NOT need a political system based on pure atheism. How many communists do you think are on this board?

So technically, communism is a type of "political atheism". So no, atheism wasn't just a cute belief stalin had once.

Atheism in a opinion on a single topic, it can't be subdivided. Ditto for theism. Islam is not a 'type of theism', Islam is a theistic religion. Communism is not a type of atheism, it is an atheistic ideology.

Yes, Islamists is better than "Muslims". What is more better is to describe them for whom they really are : "TERRORISTS", or more accurately "isis supporters".

Agreed. May you someday be as nuanced regarding atheists.

Just like in Mexico. The drug gangs that cause all the misery are not called "Christianists" or "Christian extremists" ; they are called for whom they really are : NARCOS & drug gangsters.
The same should be applied to isis and its supporters, mmmm ?

Yep.

Like if I was your neighbor ; and saw some "ISIS supporters" attacking your home to kill your brother, and take you as a sex slave.. Do you think I won't defend your family ?

I think much better of you than that.

I will actually, because I'm NOT an "ISIS SUPPORTER/TERRORIST".
Do you see how names make us see things straight ?

Yep.

The west -especially countries that hit Iraq- are stuck in deep shit because of their war crimes ; death cults have been formed to "seek & kill" any person who contributed to the destruction of Iraq.
One these cults is called "ISIS". Islam has nothing to do with it.

I agree we've largely made our own mess, but Islam can't be completely divorced from it. I don't think the Westboro Baptist Church is representative of Christianity, but I can hardly say Christianity has nothing to do with it.

Above all, how many Muslims don't want to cut your head ? compared to those who want to ?

All the ones I've met so far don't want to cut off my head, as far as I can tell.

And tell your government not to allow third world trash into Australia, instead tell them to build a better immigration system that only allows regular people to come in.

I don't think Australia's immigration problem is that they don't consider enough people to be 'third world trash'.

The west has types of Islamists that I swear I never saw before, and you're talking to a guy who actually lived in Saudi Arabia for a while.

Resisting assimilation can take odd forms.

Smells like your governments need such people, to keep you living in terror for years to come..

Our governments are perfectly capable of keeping most of us terrorized without any actual threats at all.

Of course, terror is a very good investment in the business of "War on terror", which the west profits from it were in trillions, selling fear is a good industry ya know.

I don't think it's a net plus for our economies.

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If you read what I wrote again, I said communism is a "political branch" that sprung from atheism, so, there gotta be Libertarians atheists, I don't know if they were "many".

Communism didn't spring from atheism. Nothing springs from atheism. Things are added TO atheism. The same is true of theism.
Most American atheists are Democrats, but a higher percentage of Libertarians are atheists than is true of Democrats.

Just like most of you, blaming islam. Why can't I blame atheism ?

Because atheism is an opinion on one topic. It's comparable to theism (the other opinion on that topic), but not to any specific religion or ideology. It's a category error to compare a specific religion to a general opinion. If we go that route, I could condemn theists for sacrificing babies to Moloch...but you don't feel much connection to that, because you're not a Moloch-worshipper. Similarly, I don't feel much connection to the crimes of Stalin because I'm not a communist. If you want to compare Islam and communism, it would be closer to comparing like things...but you'd have to compare Islam to humanism if you want to compare it to an ideology most of us actually at least sympathize with. Of course, humanism fares pretty well in that comparison, which is why most religionists with an axe to grind keep bringing up communism instead.

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Eventually an atheist MUST obey a doctrine of law, either it's a nationalist constitution or a gang's law. Hippie atheists are a different case ; even these will have to obey society laws -at least their own hippie society-.

Most of us obey the law. Most of everybody does. What's your point?

It's a void point. Because simply, you will obey a law if you wanted a society. So even atheists obey laws which dictates them to do certain things.

Again, so what?

Sometimes these laws are driven from communism. Some other times they are derived from capitalism. It depends.

And some other times they are derived from the English common law, as in America, Canada, and Great Britain. Guess where most of the people you're talking to live.

[Esquilax]

Which is simply uncreative and stupid ; too. To copycat I mean.
The goal is not determined by us. The goal is what the implementation of the design actually "does".

Then you are begging the question by defining every "goal" as designed when the "goal" itself is simply descriptive of what a given thing does.

To be clear, evolution also grants organisms a "goal," in that existing in specific survival niches are what those organisms do and what their specific physical structures are developed to accomplish, all without some grand architect pushing the buttons. The tree that exudes oxygen does so because it is a member of a long line of trees that exude oxygen as a part of their photosynthesis, which is something they do because deriving nutrients from the sun is a part of their evolved ability to survive. No wizard needed to wave his hand to make this so, and yet here we have trees, with a goal.

So from an outside perspective we now have goals and designs that are natural, and goals and designs that are artificial. If you just tuck "intentionally designed by active intellects" in as part of your definition of design then you're denying the former for no good reason, and begging the question by including that in your definition of natural things, when it is the thing you are trying to demonstrate.

[WinterHold]

Mister Agenda

No, an atheist does NOT need a political system based on pure atheism. How many communists do you think are on this board?

It was an example.

Atheism in a opinion on a single topic, it can't be subdivided. Ditto for theism. Islam is not a 'type of theism', Islam is a theistic religion. Communism is not a type of atheism, it is an atheistic ideology.

You do realize that both are the same thing, right ?

Agreed. May you someday be as nuanced regarding atheists.

How did you reach the conclusion that I'm intolerant towards atheists ?

I think much better of you than that.

elaborate. Isn't that what ISIS really do ?

I agree we've largely made our own mess, but Islam can't be completely divorced from it. I don't think the Westboro Baptist Church is representative of Christianity, but I can hardly say Christianity has nothing to do with it.

Actually, the first to arm militias of islamic jihadists was America -Hell Yeah !! -. Operation cyclone.

so yeah..thanks, west, for arming, training & controlling these gangs to fetch arab oil easily & spread proxy wars to enrich the war economy.

Yet, I don't see islam's relation to all of this. All i see, is atheist believes being implemented over & over. Via the famous "no morals in politics" thing.

All the ones I've met so far don't want to cut off my head, as far as I can tell.

Thank you for saying the truth.
You made Ali Baba happy.
Ali Baba is very happy

I don't think Australia's immigration problem is that they don't consider enough people to be 'third world trash'.

Yes they are.
The immigration process to western countries is in many times "humiliating" and vampiaristic (especially Australia), people have been drowning at its border without allowing access to the poor beings.

Instead, they aim to bring "third world trash" at easy costs & prices to work in "jobs that the native -cough cough invading- australian won't do", stuff like collecting garbage, factory work. I'm not saying all are terrible. I'm just saying that the lower you go, the more trouble you find. And many countries suffer from a very violent & terribly poor low class. These are the guys who go to Europe to work for 2 dollars a day

But for the regular person, going there means paying thousands upon thousands, to get stuck in a busy already crowded market, so immigration to a place like australia is no option for many "regular people" from allover the world.

A fix in the immigration system would mean something like Canada. But don't tell me about Australia or Europe, America is out of discussion. They suck.

Resisting assimilation can take odd forms.

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Our governments are perfectly capable of keeping most of us terrorized without any actual threats at all.

Meh.

I don't think it's a net plus for our economies.

It is. It's even documented in 2014 after the ISIS crisis. America's economy is actually doing good.

[Mister Agenda]

Mister Agenda

No, an atheist does NOT need a political system based on pure atheism. How many communists do you think are on this board?

It was an example.

'Atheists need a political system based on pure atheism' is not an example, it is a blanket assertion.

You do realize that both are the same thing, right ?

Both of WHAT are the same thing?

How did you reach the conclusion that I'm intolerant towards atheists ?

I'm sorry. I did not mean to imply that you are intolerant towards atheists. I meant to imply that you are ignorant about atheists.

elaborate. Isn't that what ISIS really do ?

What does ISIS have to do with what YOU would do?

Actually, the first to arm militias of islamic jihadists was America -Hell Yeah !! -. Operation cyclone.

That's true. However it doesn't make ISIS magically have nothing to do with Islam.

so yeah..thanks, west, for arming, training & controlling these gangs to fetch arab oil easily & spread proxy wars to enrich the war economy.

I agree with you on these matters, but you seem to be too dense to realize it.

Yet, I don't see islam's relation to all of this. All i see, is atheist believes being implemented over & over. Via the famous "no morals in politics" thing.

Where do you see 'atheist beliefs' (another example of your ignorance regarding atheism) being implemented? America is a Christian country. The president who commanded the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq was an Evangelical Christian. Since the 'no morals in politics' thing is so famous, perhaps you can give a source for it.

Thank you for saying the truth.
You made Ali Baba happy.
Ali Baba is very happy

I've said the truth repeatedly, but as I pointed out above, you seem to be too dense (or love feeling persecuted too much) to realize it.

Yes they are.
The immigration process to western countries is in many times "humiliating" and vampiaristic (especially Australia), people have been drowning at its border without allowing access to the poor beings.

Agreed.

Instead, they aim to bring "third world trash" at easy costs & prices to work in "jobs that the native -cough cough invading- australian won't do", stuff like collecting garbage, factory work. I'm not saying all are terrible. I'm just saying that the lower you go, the more trouble you find. And many countries suffer from a very violent & terribly poor low class. These are the guys who go to Europe to work for 2 dollars a day

They're not trash. They're human beings and deserve to be treated as such.

But for the regular person, going there means paying thousands upon thousands, to get stuck in a busy already crowded market, so immigration to a place like australia is no option for many "regular people" from allover the world.

THAT is Australia's real immigration problem.

A fix in the immigration system would mean something like Canada. But don't tell me about Australia or Europe,

If you don't want to hear about them, don't bring them up. It had nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

America is out of discussion. They suck.

When it comes to immigration, I have to agree.

It is. It's even documented in 2014 after the ISIS crisis. America's economy is actually doing good.

It's not doing well because of our military adventures. We usually recover from a recession much more quickly that we did this time. We'll be paying on the debt from these wars for decades.