Religious child abuse

[Fidel_Castronaut]

At this point I don't really need to do anything. I mean, you were flat out wrong above as demonstrated, so it's all good for me. you can keep redefining what you class as abuse but that's for your fucked up mind to deal with, not ours (I just hope you're not around children too much judging by this). So here's a picture of a seal photobombing some penguins for the lulz of everyone else. Enjoy.

Apparently you haven't watched the video, the guy compared a girls parents (american) to the taliban. I fail to see the connection between the girls parents and Nigeria.

Two can play that game, Stalin (an atheist) has a body count three times higher than Hitler, making atheists worse than Nazis.

The process of indoctrination is exactly the goddamn same, though, ain't it?

So the Taliban exist in a society where murder and killing as a result of that indoctrination is ok as the rule of law is near non-existent (or, to be more accurate, the rule of law is governed by that same indoctrination).

Only difference as i see it (using the entirety of history as my benchmark) is that in the US you've got a society governed by a rule of law that should prevent that same indoctrination causing the carnage it does in Afghanistan (I say should because there's still the odd one killin' in the name o' Jesus!). Yeah you could call it a slippery slope but I negate that with
the examples cited where abuse has flourished in Christian organizations or congregations when the rule of law is either abused or ignored by those same groups (eg. RCC nunneries stealing children away from other children and selling them to other families often with threats against the birth mothers).

And when we reduce it down, abuse is abuse. the nature may vary, the severity may vary, the method may vary, but it's still goddamn abuse. And all in the name of the holy lord, JEEBUS BE PRAISED!

Also, Fidel_Castronaut ain't killed anyone you schmuck.

[Thumpalumpacus]

So what you're saying is that the "moderate" Christians killed 800 babies in 36 years, got it.

I guess the fundamentalists would have done it in a week? A day? Do tell.

Seeing how the word "Protestant" means "to protest" the Catholic church, I'm saying that one has nothing to do with the other.

Considering that both consider the key to Christianity to be the acceptance of Christ the Redeemer as the Son of God, I'd say that you need to sharpen your hair-splitter. They are just as Christian as you, and they are just as fallen as your are, according to your own doctrine.

Not to mention that Christian fundamentalism is primarily an American thing especially between 1925-1961 (the period of the article). this particular story happened in Ireland.

You're clearly ignorant of history. The Inquisition was very fundamentalist -- when it wasn't driven by economics -- and it was almost purely European in character.

The Catholic European subjugation of native Americans in the name of Christianity is another example of non-Protestant fundamentalism, wherein native Americans were forced to convert at swordpoint, and enslaved even after doing so.

In other words, you're arguing out both sides of your mouth, presenting this atrocity as an example of Catholic European "moderation", and pointing to American Protestant Christianity as the exemplary fundamentalist sect. The Christian religion has plenty of blood on its hands, more than enough to go around, and denying that is either ignorance or deceit on your part. Which is it?

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and how did a thread about childhood indoctrination get Godwinned?

Never ascribe to malice what can be laid at the feet of stupidity.

[abaris]

You're clearly ignorant of history. The Inquisition was very fundamentalist -- when it wasn't driven by economics -- and it was almost purely European in character.

The Catholic European subjugation of native Americans in the name of Christianity is another example of non-Protestant fundamentalism, wherein native Americans were forced to convert at swordpoint, and enslaved even after doing so.

Don't forget Oliver Cromwell's reign. It was nearly a theocracy.

[Thumpalumpacus]

It's not absurd... and you're extremely intellectually dishonest.

I'm all ears on how these people can be compared to the Taliban and not have a body count.

You've already acknowledged that even moderate Christians have a body count of at the very least 800. And even if your narrowly-defined selection of "fundamentalist" Christians are limited to America, you'll need to acknowledge the lynchings and the deaths in slavery which happened here in America. Not to mention the Spanish practice of requerimiento (justifying murderous conquest in the name of Christ the Savior).

Christians have a body count.

[Huggy Bear]

Considering that both consider the key to Christianity to be the acceptance of Christ the Redeemer as the Son of God, I'd say that you need to sharpen your hair-splitter. They are just as Christian as you, and they are just as fallen as your are, according to your own doctrine.

Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Catholics are trinitarian, meaning they essentially believe in three God's (a violation of the first commandment).

The term "Vicarius Filii Dei" (the roman numerals total 666) first coined by Constantine means "in stead of the Son of God" which is stating that the office of the Pope is taking the place of Christ on the Earth, which is an antichrist doctrine since the Bible clearly states that there is only one mediator between God and man, Jesus Christ.

2 Thessalonians 2
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Catholics use a different version of the Bible with a number of extra books added.

As it states under "religious views" I don't belong to any denomination, so no, were not the same.

You're clearly ignorant of history. The Inquisition was very fundamentalist -- when it wasn't driven by economics -- and it was almost purely European in character.

The Catholic European subjugation of native Americans in the name of Christianity is another example of non-Protestant fundamentalism, wherein native Americans were forced to convert at swordpoint, and enslaved even after doing so.

In other words, you're arguing out both sides of your mouth, presenting this atrocity as an example of Catholic European "moderation", and pointing to American Protestant Christianity as the exemplary fundamentalist sect. The Christian religion has plenty of blood on its hands, more than enough to go around, and denying that is either ignorance or deceit on your part. Which is it?

Once again, your talking about Catholics.
Catholics and Protestants are not the same and this is apparent in none other than "Ireland". The Protestants formed in "protest" of the Catholic church.

If YOU knew anything about history you'd know that the Catholic church is estimated to have killed 68 million protestants, so it's a little insulting for those that died, to lump them in the same group.

You've already acknowledged that even moderate Christians have a body count of at the very least 800. And even if your narrowly-defined selection of "fundamentalist" Christians are limited to America, you'll need to acknowledge the lynchings and the deaths in slavery which happened here in America.

No, that was just white people, I'm sure you remember the story of the 4 young black girls that were killed in Birmingham, Alabama after their church was firebombed. See, black people are christian too.


If in your desperate attempt to connect all Christians with the 800 dead children, you're saying all white people are racist and have a body count...good job.

Not to mention the Spanish practice of requerimiento (justifying murderous conquest in the name of Christ the Savior).

Christians have a body count.

Wow, another story about Catholics.

[dyresand]

Considering that both consider the key to Christianity to be the acceptance of Christ the Redeemer as the Son of God, I'd say that you need to sharpen your hair-splitter. They are just as Christian as you, and they are just as fallen as your are, according to your own doctrine.

Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Catholics are trinitarian, meaning they essentially believe in three God's (a violation of the first commandment).

The term "Vicarius Filii Dei" (the roman numerals total 666) first coined by Constantine means "in stead of the Son of God" which is stating that the office of the Pope is taking the place of Christ on the Earth, which is an antichrist doctrine since the Bible clearly states that there is only one mediator between God and man, Jesus Christ.

2 Thessalonians 2
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Catholics use a different version of the Bible with a number of extra books added.

As it states under "religious views" I don't belong to any denomination, so no, were not the same.

You're clearly ignorant of history. The Inquisition was very fundamentalist -- when it wasn't driven by economics -- and it was almost purely European in character.

The Catholic European subjugation of native Americans in the name of Christianity is another example of non-Protestant fundamentalism, wherein native Americans were forced to convert at swordpoint, and enslaved even after doing so.

In other words, you're arguing out both sides of your mouth, presenting this atrocity as an example of Catholic European "moderation", and pointing to American Protestant Christianity as the exemplary fundamentalist sect. The Christian religion has plenty of blood on its hands, more than enough to go around, and denying that is either ignorance or deceit on your part. Which is it?

Once again, your talking about Catholics.
Catholics and Protestants are not the same and this is apparent in none other than "Ireland". The Protestants formed in "protest" of the Catholic church.

If YOU knew anything about history you'd know that the Catholic church is estimated to have killed 68 million protestants, so it's a little insulting for those that died, to lump them in the same group.

You've already acknowledged that even moderate Christians have a body count of at the very least 800. And even if your narrowly-defined selection of "fundamentalist" Christians are limited to America, you'll need to acknowledge the lynchings and the deaths in slavery which happened here in America.

No, that was just white people, I'm sure you remember the story of the 4 young black girls that were killed in Birmingham, Alabama after their church was firebombed. See, black people are christian too.


If in your desperate attempt to connect all Christians with the 800 dead children, you're saying all white people are racist and have a body count...good job.

Not to mention the Spanish practice of requerimiento (justifying murderous conquest in the name of Christ the Savior).

Christians have a body count.

Wow, another story about Catholics.

That rebuttal seemed.. really um...

oh yeah ^weak.

[Surgenator]

Wow, another story about Catholics.

You want Protestant atrocities. Here is one from the good USA.

http://www.examiner.com/article/another-...up-a-child

[Thumpalumpacus]

[pablum deleted]

Since you're seem about as sharp as a basketball, I'm going to point out to you that whether or not you consider them Christians, they do themselves, and that both the Catholic and Protestant branches of Christianity have blood on their hands.

Did you forget that the millions of Native Americans killed in the American drive towards "Manifest Destiny" were largely killed by Protestants who thought they were doing your god's work?

"But they weren't Protestants!"

"But they weren't Catholics!"

But they were Christians, one and all. They each confessed the faith.

Now let me fetch some popcorn and watch you dig yourself into a hole occupied by a True Scotsman.

[dyresand]

[pablum deleted]

Since you're seem about as sharp as a basketball, I'm going to point out to you that whether or not you consider them Christians, they do themselves, and that both the Catholic and Protestant branches of Christianity have blood on their hands.

Did you forget that the millions of Native Americans killed in the American drive towards "Manifest Destiny" were largely killed by Protestants who thought they were doing your god's work?

"But they weren't Protestants!"

"But they weren't Catholics!"

But they were Christians, one and all. They each confessed the faith.

Now let me fetch some popcorn and watch you dig yourself into a hole occupied by a True Scotsman.

you know i sadly find this funny they always bring up the not christian argument if you believe and accept jesus that makes you a christian. but when a child gets harmed or killed they say he or she isn't christian... um well they still are.

[abaris]

Wow, another story about Catholics.

You want Protestant atrocities. Here is one from the good USA.

http://www.examiner.com/article/another-...up-a-child

Wow!

Why is a book like that even allowed to be published? Don't give me free speech. please. This seems to be a guide to systematically abusing children from an early age on.