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RE: Dear Americans: What's the leading cause of death among the young?
November 17, 2014 at 11:09 pm
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(November 17, 2014 at 10:19 pm)Rhythm Wrote: The link didn't elaborate on why the trigger mechanism was faulty. Sounds like poor old Jake there was a negligent firearm owner. His safety was damaged, and the cylinder had a habit of jamming. Makes you wonder if he ever cleaned the thing...and of course he was very "responsible" in how he handled the weapon. I think the report was a wonderful explanation of the investigation -into the matter of whether or not a man committed suicide. It doesn't seem like he intended to do so, but lets not claim that his gun just "went off" one day. Clearly, the firearm was not in proper working order and he was not a competent owner. Now, we might imagine that it came off the factory line that way, but again, that's highly unlikely. More a case of (to my mind) longstanding user negligence. If I had to shoot from the hip on this one..I'd say (with near certainty) that he had cowboyed the pistol more than once and that it probably needed cleaning. The discharge was a long time and alot of effort in the making. Now, It isn't clear that he bought it new (and for the price quoted in the report it seems like it may have been used, but you never know, sales and all)...so it may be that a previous owner had damaged the weapon, that the reseller had sold a defective weapon (on and on). None of this, of course, excuses the man from scratching his head with a loaded revolver.
(the pistol in question is a Windicator, btw, not the best, but compliant with standards) I hear a lot of excuses, but the facts that even you agree on are:
A faulty weapon went off unintentionally and killed its owner.
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
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RE: Dear Americans: What's the leading cause of death among the young?
November 17, 2014 at 11:09 pm
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NP, let me just grab a couple a' loaded revolvers to use as sticks.
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RE: Dear Americans: What's the leading cause of death among the young?
November 17, 2014 at 11:12 pm
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(November 17, 2014 at 11:09 pm)Aractus Wrote: I hear a lot of excuses, but the facts that even you agree on are:
A faulty weapon went off unintentionally and killed its owner. -and that it's unlikely that it "just happened" or "just went off". The "just" ignores absolutely everything that could or did lead to this event (or any nd).
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Dear Americans: What's the leading cause of death among the young?
November 17, 2014 at 11:15 pm
And FYI, negligent or not, it's unlikely that the owner was aware that the safety mechanism was faulty.
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
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RE: Dear Americans: What's the leading cause of death among the young?
November 17, 2014 at 11:22 pm
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The owner was clearly unaware of many things. Again, he was scratching his head with a loaded revolver. Just because he didn't know it was broken (or whether or not he broke it) doesn't mean that negligence wasn't the cause of the discharge, rather than "guns just go off" - can't stress this enough...they really don't (I've opined about this in other threads...there are a disturbingly large number of these claims that just don't get the owner of the firearm the proper "attention" because we are incredibly lax regarding gun law enforcement. That laxity has very clearly bred a "gun culture" entirely alien to the gun culture that I grew up in. It's fucking it up for me and mine.......)
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RE: Dear Americans: What's the leading cause of death among the young?
November 18, 2014 at 12:36 am
He wasn't scratching his head with a loaded revolver...
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The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
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RE: Dear Americans: What's the leading cause of death among the young?
November 18, 2014 at 9:48 am
(November 18, 2014 at 12:36 am)Aractus Wrote: He wasn't scratching his head with a loaded revolver... Witnesses have him scratching his head with the revolver. Whether he knew it was loaded or not was disputed. But as I recall from the hunter's safety class I took when I was 12, you're to treat every gun as if it's loaded.
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RE: Dear Americans: What's the leading cause of death among the young?
November 18, 2014 at 10:12 am
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RE: Dear Americans: What's the leading cause of death among the young?
November 18, 2014 at 11:56 am
(November 18, 2014 at 10:12 am)Lao Shizi Wrote: Faulty triggers anyone?
http://www.fairwarning.org/2010/10/popul...ion-finds/ Not a problem if you follow the rules of gun safety. If you never point a gun at a person, you're unlikely to hurt a person with it.
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RE: Dear Americans: What's the leading cause of death among the young?
November 18, 2014 at 12:32 pm
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(November 17, 2014 at 11:09 pm)Aractus Wrote: I hear a lot of excuses, but the facts that even you agree on are:
A faulty weapon went off unintentionally and killed its owner.
... after being handled irresponsibly by a person who had been drinking.
If a weapon isn't cleaned, it can and will malfunction. If your brakes are poorly maintained and that causes an auto accident after you had been out drinking, does that mean that the auto is poorly designed?
As pointed out above, the first rule of gun safety is: Every gun is loaded.
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