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"Arm The Rebels!!"
November 15, 2014 at 1:10 pm
Brilliant idea, McCain....you shithead.
http://apnews.excite.com/article/2014111...1bf87.html
Quote: BEIRUT (AP) — During a key battle in the rugged mountains of a northern province earlier this month, U.S.-backed Syrian rebels collapsed before an assault by al-Qaida fighters. Some surrendered their weapons. Others outright defected to the militants.
A detailed account of the battle in Idlib, from a series of interviews with opposition activists by The Associated Press, underscores how the moderate rebels that Washington is trying to boost to fight the Islamic State group are instead hemorrhaging on multiple fronts.
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RE: "Arm The Rebels!!"
November 15, 2014 at 3:52 pm
Well, I mean, it would be useful, in the sense that we'll know where our next batch of terrorists will come from.
That's the great thing about Republicans. They are complete losers at foreign policy, but they make up for that by being complete losers at domestic policy.
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RE: "Arm The Rebels!!"
November 15, 2014 at 4:02 pm
At least they're consistent.
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RE: "Arm The Rebels!!"
November 15, 2014 at 4:06 pm
(This post was last modified: November 15, 2014 at 4:09 pm by Anomalocaris.)
McCain seem to have forgotten the "moderate" we are asked to arm are fighting an ISIS which is itself made up in substantial part of the moderate Sunnis rebels we "empower" to resist El Queda in 2007-2008.
It is not a bad national strategy, now that the U.S. can achieve energy independence while China, our arch rival, still depends on the oil taps in the gulf, for the U.S. to incite as much disturbance as possible in the middle east, and force China to chose between having its oil cut off at the source or bleed cash and blood itself to pacify the quagmire in the middleeast.
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RE: "Arm The Rebels!!"
November 15, 2014 at 4:39 pm
Quote:Others outright defected to the militants.
Exactly why I'm against arming Muslim insurgents, no matter what they claim to be their outlooks.
We don't know who or what we're dealing with, and our aid seems as likely to be turned against us as it is to benefit us.
To amplify what Chuck just pointed out, it is not only in our interest to force China's hand (and thereby induce a big drag on its economy), it is also in our interest to see Sunni and Shi'ite fighting each other, rather than aiming at us. We should be on the sidelines of this, and any, intra-Muslim squabble.
At least that way we cannot be accused of interference.
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RE: "Arm The Rebels!!"
November 15, 2014 at 8:17 pm
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There's nothing wrong with arming rebels, as long as you're willing to train them how to use the arms you give them. Dumping weapons on a mob doesn't create an army, it simply creates a better armed mob.
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RE: "Arm The Rebels!!"
November 15, 2014 at 9:35 pm
Quote:There's nothing wrong with arming rebels, as long as you're willing to train them how to use the arms you give them.
We armed and trained the Iraqi Track Team...er army. It did little good.
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RE: "Arm The Rebels!!"
November 15, 2014 at 11:31 pm
What's wrong with supporting the f.s.a.? The only other real options are declaring full scale war on Syria, or supporting the alawite government. So which do you support?
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RE: "Arm The Rebels!!"
November 15, 2014 at 11:53 pm
(November 15, 2014 at 9:35 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:There's nothing wrong with arming rebels, as long as you're willing to train them how to use the arms you give them.
We armed and trained the Iraqi Track Team...er army. It did little good.
This may sound crazy but unless we're willing to commit to another bloody war again, it may be our only good option:
Open relations with Syria and Iran. Work with them against our common enemy, ISIS. Iran wants to protect their fellow Shiites in Iraq and secure what is going to be their client state in southern Iraq. Syria is fighting for its life against ISIS. It seems we have a common enemy and people motivated to fight them.
Sure, it's not pretty but we also backed Stalin when that was the price of taking down Hitler. Sometimes international politics means working with some unsavory characters.
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RE: "Arm The Rebels!!"
November 16, 2014 at 12:07 am
(November 15, 2014 at 11:31 pm)simplemoss Wrote: What's wrong with supporting the f.s.a.? The only other real options are declaring full scale war on Syria, or supporting the alawite government. So which do you support?
We could mind our own fucking business for a change and let the local powers handle it or let them kill each other.
Overthrowing dictators has not worked out in our best interests.
Truth be told, I don't give a shit about any of them.
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