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Another beheading...
#11
RE: Another beheading...
(November 17, 2014 at 12:03 am)Minimalist Wrote: I will be watching and listening carefully for all the moderates who protest the barbarism in the name of their precious religion.

Read it and weep.

http://www.cair.com/press-center/press-r...-isis.html

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#12
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(November 17, 2014 at 4:07 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: As for the war thing, if we won't do what's necessary to win it as quickly as possible why even bother to fight? All it does is cost time, money and lives for no real purpose. So at some point in time, whether it's next year or 300 years from now, we will simply quit and will have gained nothing. Besides, how long should we try to deprive other people of their right to establish their own political systems? We've been doing that for the past 225 years and it might be time to devise a new strategy.

Winner winner, chicken dinner.

And, IMO, whenever we quit it'll be worse than gaining nothing. That's the sick thing about all of this. Every time we leave, we leave the region worse than it was before. We either create power vacuums that are filled by the worst kinds of people, because they're the types who are willing to do whatever necessary to seize that power, or we prop up existing assholes. Both options lead to bad ends, which lead to us having to save the region from a problem of our own making, which leads to the same kind of terrible, tenuous status quo until it blows up in our face again.

Our constant meddling has a direct impact on radicalization. And for some strange reason, no one in power cares, or even realizes it.
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#13
RE: Another beheading...
Quote:Our constant meddling has a direct impact on radicalization. And for some strange reason, no one in power cares, or even realizes it.

I think they know it very well. I saw an interview of Dick Cheney during the early `90s, talking about how overthrowing Sadam would divide Iraq in three pieces. They also sponsored radical groups just to overthrow Assad (shipments from Libya through Turkey), not caring about lives.

Or do we talk about "rebels", the vast majority of them not being syrians, using chemical weapons just to blame it on Assad?

Please let`s not talk about radical jihadists in this context, because the US fuels every war in the middle east. They can`t use communism anymore, so religion is the new thing.

Isis videos are gruesome, they are the scum of the earth, all arab dictators are a bunch of primitive goatherders who exploit ignorance, but it`s all about power. And nobody gives a fuck about religion when it comes to power.

PS: If you think only muslims could be so retarded, or Islam being more accomodating to violence, look at the serbs in Bosnia.
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#14
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(November 18, 2014 at 12:38 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote:
(November 17, 2014 at 12:03 am)Minimalist Wrote: I will be watching and listening carefully for all the moderates who protest the barbarism in the name of their precious religion.

Read it and weep.

http://www.cair.com/press-center/press-r...-isis.html

Oh get real.... that is not enough ! Go and burn a book called the Qur'an on live tv and measure the response to that!

They describe the actions as "un-Islamic" or "anti-Islamic", but we all know those actions are textbook Islamic !

And there's taqqiya !

When CAIR are demonstrating in the streets asking for more drone strikes, I'll start to listen to them !
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#15
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I'd start listening to anyone who was marching in the streets for more drone strikes. Listening, and making a list - creepy fuckers.
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#16
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(November 18, 2014 at 4:58 pm)lifesagift Wrote:
(November 18, 2014 at 12:38 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: Read it and weep.

http://www.cair.com/press-center/press-r...-isis.html

Oh get real.... that is not enough ! Go and burn a book called the Qur'an on live tv and measure the response to that!

They describe the actions as "un-Islamic" or "anti-Islamic", but we all know those actions are textbook Islamic !

And there's taqqiya !

When CAIR are demonstrating in the streets asking for more drone strikes, I'll start to listen to them !

I`m pretty sure drone strikes have killed more innocent people compared to ISIS. You appear to have no idea about how horrible a drone strike can be.

ISIS is a US creation. If the US didn`t want ISIS to thrive, rest assured that those friendly democratic allies like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Qatar would not be allowed to countinuosly fund them.

Ignorant people can be persuaded to massacre just about everyone, you just have to find differences and have a nice propaganda.

Just look at Rwanda.
If it`s true that our species is alone in the universe then I`d have to say the universe aimed rather low and settled for very little.
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#17
RE: Another beheading...
(November 18, 2014 at 4:58 pm)lifesagift Wrote: Oh get real.... that is not enough ! Go and burn a book called the Qur'an on live tv and measure the response to that!

They describe the actions as "un-Islamic" or "anti-Islamic", but we all know those actions are textbook Islamic !

No, that's not the case.

And, I was responding to a request for moderate disavowal, and that's it.

(November 18, 2014 at 4:58 pm)lifesagift Wrote: And there's taqqiya !

Indeed there is. Muslims too can be discriminatory. No one is arguing otherwise.

(November 18, 2014 at 4:58 pm)lifesagift Wrote: When CAIR are demonstrating in the streets asking for more drone strikes, I'll start to listen to them !

Tell us -- did you demand Christians marching in the streets disavowing the violence in Ireland? Do you demand Jews marching in the streets disavowing Israel's treatment of Palestinians?

Terror is perpetrated by assholes in all sects, who then use their holy book / direct line to God / imam's word / papal dispensation / etc to "justify" their atrocities. That doesn't, however, mean that they speak for anyone else inside their faith.

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#18
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(November 18, 2014 at 5:36 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote:
(November 18, 2014 at 4:58 pm)lifesagift Wrote: Oh get real.... that is not enough ! Go and burn a book called the Qur'an on live tv and measure the response to that!

They describe the actions as "un-Islamic" or "anti-Islamic", but we all know those actions are textbook Islamic !

No, that's not the case.

And, I was responding to a request for moderate disavowal, and that's it.

(November 18, 2014 at 4:58 pm)lifesagift Wrote: And there's taqqiya !

Indeed there is. Muslims too can be discriminatory. No one is arguing otherwise.

(November 18, 2014 at 4:58 pm)lifesagift Wrote: When CAIR are demonstrating in the streets asking for more drone strikes, I'll start to listen to them !

Tell us -- did you demand Christians marching in the streets disavowing the violence in Ireland? Do you demand Jews marching in the streets disavowing Israel's treatment of Palestinians?

Terror is perpetrated by assholes in all sects, who then use their holy book / direct line to God / imam's word / papal dispensation / etc to "justify" their atrocities. That doesn't, however, mean that they speak for anyone else inside their faith.

What's your yardstick PT? look at the current news.... looking back to history is turning your back on the evil now... Ireland is peaceful, and Israel is effectively at war with Palestine... and at least being relatively restrained in it's response to constant attacks.

I'm asking muslims that say they are peaceful to vociferously denounce acts by other muslims that are extremely violent... as they would against someone who drew a cartoon about their prophet !!

(November 18, 2014 at 5:26 pm)Piscinin Wrote:
(November 18, 2014 at 4:58 pm)lifesagift Wrote: Oh get real.... that is not enough ! Go and burn a book called the Qur'an on live tv and measure the response to that!

They describe the actions as "un-Islamic" or "anti-Islamic", but we all know those actions are textbook Islamic !

And there's taqqiya !

When CAIR are demonstrating in the streets asking for more drone strikes, I'll start to listen to them !

I`m pretty sure drone strikes have killed more innocent people compared to ISIS. You appear to have no idea about how horrible a drone strike can be.

ISIS is a US creation. If the US didn`t want ISIS to thrive, rest assured that those friendly democratic allies like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Qatar would not be allowed to countinuosly fund them.

Ignorant people can be persuaded to massacre just about everyone, you just have to find differences and have a nice propaganda.

Just look at Rwanda.

What planet you from? IS is richer than most countries in the world, and vastly more evil, and the US has no say in it's being.

You just need to do a bit of research to see many many beheadings, and lynchings, and trenches full of innocents being ripped apart by AK47s. And then there's suicide bombs all over the world....

Feel free to wear your blinkers... but the IS agenda is pure violence ! nothing else.
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lifesagift,

ISIS is rich, but how? Who funds them? They sell oil, to whom? Do you know how much it costs to keep a 40.000 strong army? Feeding them, arming them to the teeth?

If you're terrified by a bunch of primitive animals just because they`re mediatic (the next bogeyman), do some research, or ask me and I'll show you that this ISIS thing is nothing compared to tens of other massacres history is abundant with.

Another thing: 200.000 dead in Syria. How many were killed by ISIS?

I refuse to be scared of artificially created dangers. Where the fuck are all these suicide bombers? There`s a higher probability of dying from a thunder sent from Yahweh.
If it`s true that our species is alone in the universe then I`d have to say the universe aimed rather low and settled for very little.
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#20
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(November 18, 2014 at 6:53 pm)Piscinin Wrote: lifesagift,

ISIS is rich, but how? Who funds them? They sell oil, to whom? Do you know how much it costs to keep a 40.000 strong army? Feeding them, arming them to the teeth?

If you're terrified by a bunch of primitive animals just because they`re mediatic (the next bogeyman), do some research, or ask me and I'll show you that this ISIS thing is nothing compared to tens of other massacres history is abundant with.

Another thing: 200.000 dead in Syria. How many were killed by ISIS?

I refuse to be scared of artificially created dangers. Where the fuck are all these suicide bombers? There`s a higher probability of dying from a thunder sent from Yahweh.

So I'm supposed to be reassured by your brevity and lack of judgement?!

My friend, IS and all other named variants are the caliphate... all muslims would die for this...

Lee Rigby's killers are effectively suicide bombers, 9/11 are suicide bombers... calls for attacks across the world in the name of the Islamic state... and you poo poo it, shame on you !
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