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Let The Creatard Shitting of Bricks Begineth
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(April 10, 2015 at 1:59 am)Surgenator Wrote:
(April 10, 2015 at 12:50 am)snowtracks Wrote: Day 3 (nearly halfway through the creation chronology), we read the biblical text description of the large continental landmass growth. This British research team confirms that earth’s landmass growth occurred primary in pulses halfway in earth’s history (caused primarily thru tectonic activity). http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v449/n7159/abs/nature06122.html
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Earth at one time was completely (or nearly) covered with water.

Gen 1:2 abbreviated - earth was formless and void - darkness over the surface of the deep - the Spirit of God was moving over the water surface.

Science discoveries are verifying that the record of Genesis is inspired, error-free.

Did you miss the 2.5 billion years part in your articles. Please don't waste our time arguing how science supports your belief because it doesn't. You're cherry picking what science says about the earth. You ignore what science about which came first, the stars or the earth.
"You ignore what science about which came first, the stars or the earth." - not ignored, answered previous 'days' - But don't read to waste your oh so valuable time, so valuable, so terribly valuable...time.
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In the beginning…..States the cosmos is created, and that it began (not steady state, nor adhering to Hindu doctrine of oscillations. Here the frame of reference (FOR) is from the cosmos.
"FOR" shifts to the earth’s water surface. - And the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters . The Book of Job adds that the earth’s surface was dark because an opaque cloud covering prevented the light from reaching the surface.
This is where the ‘days’ began with the phrase ‘and God said’. The first phrase. - Let there be light - . The earth’s cloud covering is reduced enough to allow cosmic light sources to penetrate all the way to the earth’s surface.
 
Atheist Credo: An universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
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I thought that I would just add this here rather than starting a new thread as it is relevant and along the same thought.

Quote:Although the temperature on Saturn’s massive moon is a chilly minus 179 degrees Celsius, it has a thick nitrogen atmosphere rich in organic molecules and a surface speckled with methane lakes. These ingredients, according to computer simulations recently conducted at Cornell University, could combine to form cellular membranes,

More Bullshit from the creatards.

But the creationists at the hilariously misnamed Discovery Institute, a prominent advocate for intelligent design theory, had a different spin on the story.
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
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God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
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Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
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RE: Let The Creatard Shitting of Bricks Begineth
(April 10, 2015 at 10:47 pm)snowtracks Wrote:
(April 10, 2015 at 1:59 am)Surgenator Wrote: Did you miss the 2.5 billion years part in your articles. Please don't waste our time arguing how science supports your belief because it doesn't. You're cherry picking what science says about the earth. You ignore what science about which came first, the stars or the earth.
"You ignore what science about which came first, the stars or the earth." - not ignored, answered previous 'days' - But don't read to waste your oh so valuable time, so valuable, so terribly valuable...time.
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In the beginning…..States the cosmos is created, and that it began (not steady state, nor adhering to Hindu doctrine of oscillations. Here the frame of reference (FOR) is from the cosmos.
"FOR" shifts to the earth’s water surface. - And the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters . The Book of Job adds that the earth’s surface was dark because an opaque cloud covering prevented the light from reaching the surface.
This is where the ‘days’ began with the phrase ‘and God said’. The first phrase. - Let there be light - . The earth’s cloud covering is reduced enough to allow cosmic light sources to penetrate all the way to the earth’s surface.
 

Your bible disagrees with you.

Genesis1:1 Wrote:In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Genesis1:14-19 Wrote:And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

(bold mine). On the 4th day the sun was created while the earth was created on the 0th day.
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(March 17, 2015 at 8:19 pm)Jenny A Wrote:
(March 16, 2015 at 1:13 am)snowtracks Wrote: Even the English word 'day' requires context, i.e., " in their grandfather's day", or "day of the dinosaurs". The creation passages are completely harmonious with science when the Hebrew word 'Yom' is correctly interpreted in context as 'a long but finite period of time'.




Day Four: God add light to vault in the sky, the sun and moon respectively, also the stars.   Also he separated day from night.  Apparently they were all mixed up before. Ooops, didn't the stars come before the earth and the moon later yet?  Oh and how do you get vegetation before the sun?  


On creation Day 4, the sun, moon, and stars became distinctly visible on the earth’s surface for the first time. The earth’s sky prior to day 4 would have had a heavy overcast appearance (but translucent) of carbon dioxide and water vapor. Plant growth increasing consumption of this carbon dioxide & water vapor resulted in the atmospheric transformation from translucent (had allowed electromagnetic non-visible sunlight spectrum to reach the earth’s surface to provide energy for photosynthesis) to a transparent atmosphere. Light created before Day 4, visible on earth on day 4. Again, after the first verse 'In the Beginning....' the frame of reference changes from the cosmos, to the earth for all references to 'days'.
Atheist Credo: An universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
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RE: Let The Creatard Shitting of Bricks Begineth
(April 19, 2015 at 12:05 am)snowtracks Wrote:
(March 17, 2015 at 8:19 pm)Jenny A Wrote:



Day Four: God add light to vault in the sky, the sun and moon respectively, also the stars.   Also he separated day from night.  Apparently they were all mixed up before. Ooops, didn't the stars come before the earth and the moon later yet?  Oh and how do you get vegetation before the sun?  


On creation Day 4, the sun, moon, and stars became distinctly visible on the earth’s surface for the first time. The earth’s sky prior to day 4 would have had a heavy overcast appearance (but translucent) of carbon dioxide and water vapor. Plant growth increasing consumption of this carbon dioxide & water vapor resulted in the atmospheric transformation from translucent (had allowed electromagnetic non-visible sunlight spectrum to reach the earth’s surface to provide energy for photosynthesis) to a transparent atmosphere. Light created before Day 4, visible on earth on day 4. Again, after the first verse 'In the Beginning....' the frame of reference changes from the cosmos, to the earth for all references to 'days'.

Sure Rolleyes ,
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RE: Let The Creatard Shitting of Bricks Begineth
Regarding the thread title: With the onset of degenerative anorectal problems incident to age, I feel as if I'm shitting bricks without even creating  anything! I'll never look at a chair or toilet seat the same way again.

The Egyptian affinities to Genesis' creation account have always fascinated me. Among the Ogdoad or "Eight gods" present before material creation is Nun, whose name means "infinite flood" taken quite literally. Then an air bubble supported by Shu ("dry air") with assistance from his ram-headed Heh deities comes into being, with the Nefertum or first lotus flower emerging on the first island of dry land amid the flood-prone Nile. This scheme is illustrated by a vignette in the Papyrus of Nestanebtisheru among other places. Of Nun, the Book of the Dead says

"I am the great god who evolved by himself. Who is he? He is Nun, the father of the gods. In other words, he is Re" (Spell 17).

Re is of course the sun god, who originally lived among and ruled over human beings. In the Heavenly Cow narrative, once the humans dissed him and Hathor's bloody mission to slay them at Re's behest turned fiasco, Re separated himself from the world, climbing into his sky boat instead. The sky is blue because it is an ocean surface above us. And science, provided you mean the scientific state of the art at the time of ancient Egypt, did in fact support this superstructure of myth.

They wouldn't have been worried about renpet heh heh  "millions and millions of years" at any rate. Or evolution, when their gods evolve alongside the kheper beetles emerging from a ball of dung in the morning. The later Elohist creation in Genesis 1 merely had to solve the problems of demoting the celestial bodies and shortening things down to a 7-day shabbat cycle. It's uncertain that evolution troubled this product either, given that King James' panel mistranslated words meaning "every kind" to read "after their kind."

The only thing the Creatards Young and Old have done amiss is to transplant this lovely Nefertum from its fertile Nile silt to the less forgiving soil of Madalyn O'Hair's garden. Ancient stories just don't grow as well today.
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(March 17, 2015 at 8:19 pm)Jenny A Wrote:
(March 16, 2015 at 1:13 am)snowtracks Wrote: Even the English word 'day' requires context, i.e., " in their grandfather's day", or "day of the dinosaurs". The creation passages are completely harmonious with science when the Hebrew word 'Yom' is correctly interpreted in context as 'a long but finite period of time'.



Day Five: God creates the fishes and birds.  Whoops, the birds come after the land born creatures.


Going into Day 5 the Earth has light breathable air, a stable water cycle, and visible light from the Sun, Moon, and stars (guidance for animal migration). Day 5 begins with “Let the waters team with swarm of living creatures and let birds fly above”. The sixth day mentions 3 specialized land mammals (the kind most crucial to humanity’s needs). When the other land mammals arrived on the scene the text doesn’t say. To sum-up: sea animals, birds, and later, certain land animals groups. The Genesis account of Day 5 is consistent with science…it had to be, it’s non-negotiable.
Atheist Credo: An universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
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(April 19, 2015 at 12:05 am)snowtracks Wrote: On creation Day 4, the sun, moon, and stars became distinctly visible on the earth’s surface for the first time. The earth’s sky prior to day 4 would have had a heavy overcast appearance (but translucent) of carbon dioxide and water vapor. Plant growth increasing consumption of this carbon dioxide & water vapor resulted in the atmospheric transformation from translucent (had allowed electromagnetic non-visible sunlight spectrum to reach the earth’s surface to provide energy for photosynthesis) to a transparent atmosphere. Light created before Day 4, visible on earth on day 4. Again, after the first verse 'In the Beginning....' the frame of reference changes from the cosmos, to the earth for all references to 'days'.
That's not what it says.  On the first day god flips on the lights and "separates" light from darkness, which sounds like just the kind of thing an ignorant stone-age man might dream up about how we got day and night.  On the fourth day he creates two distinct lights to help mark the passage of time and to provide strong light during the day and a weaker light during the night.  As might be expected of a primitive culture, the assumption was that both the sun and moon were emitting their own light, and that this was somehow separate from the light of "day."  This primitive culture also believed that the sky was stretched over the flat world like a canopy (or a "vault"or "firmament").

And do realize that you are trying to explain how progressive growth caused changes to the environment as part of the same story that keeps telling us that god just spoke things into existence.  There is no reason to think that this magic wizard had to wait for the atmosphere to be properly balanced before he waved his wand and made the waters and sky "teem with living creatures."  It doesn't salvage the issue with the "lights" and simply makes it clear that you're grasping at straws to come up with explanations that you can wedge into the narrative.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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(May 3, 2015 at 9:59 am)Tonus Wrote:
(April 19, 2015 at 12:05 am)snowtracks Wrote:

That's not what it says.  On the first day god flips on the lights and "separates" light from darkness, which sounds like just the kind of thing an ignorant stone-age man might dream up about how we got day and night.  On the fourth day he creates two distinct lights to help mark the passage of time and to provide strong light during the day and a weaker light during the night.  As might be expected of a primitive culture, the assumption was that both the sun and moon were emitting their own light, and that this was somehow separate from the light of "day."  This primitive culture also believed that the sky was stretched over the flat world like a canopy (or a "vault"or "firmament").

And do realize that you are trying to explain how progressive growth caused changes to the environment as part of the same story that keeps telling us that god just spoke things into existence.  There is no reason to think that this magic wizard had to wait for the atmosphere to be properly balanced before he waved his wand and made the waters and sky "teem with living creatures."  It doesn't salvage the issue with the "lights" and simply makes it clear that you're grasping at straws to come up with explanations that you can wedge into the narrative.
Cosmos
Creation of the cosmos was completed in Genesis 1:1 which includes electro-magnetism. (“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth”). Any references to light after this verse is in the context of the earth’s frame of reference.

Earth
Verse 2 - describes darkened condition of the earth
Verses 3-5 - God says “let there be light” and “separated the light from the darkness” - is a description of light reaching earth’s surface for the first time, and the day and night cycle (“He called the light day and the darkness night”. “And there was evening, and there was morning, one day”. That’s the description of the first Day ( a long but finite period of time).
Only verse 1 of 1 - 5 has the Hebrew verb - Bârâ' (creatio ex-nihilo). http://www.studylight.org/language-studi...hts/?a=541
Atheist Credo: An universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
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(May 4, 2015 at 8:12 pm)snowtracks Wrote: Cosmos
Creation of the cosmos was completed in Genesis 1:1 which includes electro-magnetism. (“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth”). Any references to light after this verse is in the context of the earth’s frame of reference.
That's an infinitesimally small gap into which to try to fit electromagnetism.  As in, it doesn't describe it at all.

Second, why would the rest of it be in the context of "earth's frame of reference"?  According to the story, no one was on earth to witness any of it.

So as I said, in order to salvage the story, your interpretation has to assume enormous amounts of information that is not in the story.  But it's interesting how neatly the story fits into the levels of knowledge and understanding that would have been common for the time it was written, if we don't try to add anything to it.  Then it makes sense that the writers of Genesis did not bother to mention the electromagnetic spectrum or the structure of the galaxy or the way the light of the sun reflects off of the moon, and so on.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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