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Wiki entry on Hitler's religious beliefs.
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RE: Wiki entry on Hitler's religious beliefs.
(January 9, 2015 at 10:08 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(January 9, 2015 at 3:18 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: Hitler was raised a Catholic. That doesn't mean he was one throughout his adulthood.

He stopped going to church, that does not mean he stopped believing. He still believed in a god, after his assassination attempt he attributed his survival to divine intervention.

Oh, I know. His speeches teem with references to "Providence". In an October speech regarding the victory in Poland, he said declared that "Almighty God has blessed our weapons."

I was simply pointing out that as an adult, he was only nominally a Catholic, at best.

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RE: Wiki entry on Hitler's religious beliefs.
I don't think Hitler had enough free space in his mind to much ponder the reality of God. I think he was too busy contemplating the godhood of Hitler.
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RE: Wiki entry on Hitler's religious beliefs.
(January 18, 2015 at 9:45 pm)bennyboy Wrote: I don't think Hitler had enough free space in his mind to much ponder the reality of God. I think he was too busy contemplating the godhood of Hitler.

Well, this is what I don't like about believers falsely equating atheists to dictators. They do have to know that their god they claim, as a character is immovable also. So if atheists don't believe in a god, then that also means humans are not gods either.

Fascists states take on the same monopoly of power as God does. For one to say "My God will treat you well if you do what he says" is really no different than if Kim Jong Un said the same. I am sure they would treat you well if you do their bidding.
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RE: Wiki entry on Hitler's religious beliefs.
(January 8, 2015 at 5:57 pm)abaris Wrote:
(January 8, 2015 at 5:47 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I got shit for confusing belt buckles so that means none of the Nazis had "Got Mitt Uns" on them regardless of whwch sect of Hitler's military, so because of that Hitler was not a Christian.

The "Gott mit uns" belt buckle was a prussian tradition carried over since the 19th century. The conscripts wore them. The SS had a different motto on their belt buckles - "Meine Ehre heißt Treue" which literally translates into My honor is loyalty, which is pretty similar to the semper fi or the marines.

As for Hitler's believes, he saw the churches as political forces and ultimately wanted to get rid of them. He certainly wasn't an atheist as is sometimes claimed. He often spoke about providence. Not only when giving public speeches but also in his private table discussion that have been partly recorded.

(January 8, 2015 at 5:52 pm)Blackout Wrote: I don't see much sense in equating Hitler with Stalin... Even if both were atheists

Hitler certainly wasn't an atheist.

No, his manifested beliefs seem more similar to deism.

(January 18, 2015 at 9:45 pm)bennyboy Wrote: I don't think Hitler had enough free space in his mind to much ponder the reality of God. I think he was too busy contemplating the godhood of Hitler.


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RE: Wiki entry on Hitler's religious beliefs.
(January 18, 2015 at 10:52 pm)Chuck Wrote:
(January 8, 2015 at 5:57 pm)abaris Wrote: The "Gott mit uns" belt buckle was a prussian tradition carried over since the 19th century. The conscripts wore them. The SS had a different motto on their belt buckles - "Meine Ehre heißt Treue" which literally translates into My honor is loyalty, which is pretty similar to the semper fi or the marines.

As for Hitler's believes, he saw the churches as political forces and ultimately wanted to get rid of them. He certainly wasn't an atheist as is sometimes claimed. He often spoke about providence. Not only when giving public speeches but also in his private table discussion that have been partly recorded.


Hitler certainly wasn't an atheist.

No, his manifested beliefs seem more similar to deism.

Argggggggg, deism is still belief in a god, the only difference is that deists dont give it a club name, it is a generic form of god.

Deism is what an agnostic theist is. Both a Deist and theist still believe in a God. The deist simply does not assign it a label.
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RE: Wiki entry on Hitler's religious beliefs.
(January 18, 2015 at 10:55 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(January 18, 2015 at 10:52 pm)Chuck Wrote: No, his manifested beliefs seem more similar to deism.

Argggggggg, deism is still belief in a god, the only difference is that deists dont give it a club name, it is a generic form of god.

Deism is what an agnostic theist is. Both a Deist and theist still believe in a God. The deist simply does not assign it a label.

Hitler menifested a believe in some form of higher power which appointed him and set him upon what he thought was a destiny of unique greatness, and repeatedly expressed in private confidence during the losing years of the war that the same higher power would intervene to enable him to reach his destiny.

One might argue hitler might have blown his own brains out sooner and saved several million lives if he really had been an atheist.
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RE: Wiki entry on Hitler's religious beliefs.
Hitler doesn't seem to be a very mentally stable type of person, I'm pretty sure it's common knowledge he took a hell of a lot of heavy drugs.

He was 56 years old when he died so I would take a guess that through his life he probably changed his opinion about religion through his life.

Sometimes he probably did work himself up into enough of a drug fueled frenzy to believe that he was chosen by god and put in place by a higher power.

He was a politician, so that immediately casts doubt on anything he ever said publicly about his personal beliefs being the truth, it could have just been useful for him to say at the time.
It's difficult to know if he really did believe in an aryan Jesus or if that was just his idea of a good replacement to replace the old myths of Jesus.

Some of the things Hitler said of Christianity seem to suggest that he definitely did see Christianity as a myth and that myths and religions were useful tools for leaders rather than something he believed in himself.

Quote:The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science. Religion will have to make more and more concessions. Gradually the myths crumble. All that's left is to prove that in nature there is no frontier between the organic and the inorganic. When understanding of the universe has become widespread, when the majority of men know that the stars are not sources of light but worlds, perhaps inhabited worlds like ours, then the Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.

I imagine 99.999999% of the people who are interested in this only want to know so they can either put down Christianity and say "Hitler was a Christian." Or put down atheists by saying "Hitler was an atheist."

No one's ever going to know for certain what Hitler believed and like I said before it could just be that he changed his mind throughout his life, something I think is even more likely due to the amount of drugs he was on which cause mental instability.


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Hitler was also very heavily into the occult and horoscopes, considering that he was also a vegetarian and a failed artist he sounds like some sort of new age yuppie.
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Hitler had some good ideas in the beginning, there is so much crap about him, even that he had one ball. I don't agree with him, but I think we should stop using him as an scapegoat.
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RE: Wiki entry on Hitler's religious beliefs.
(January 19, 2015 at 1:09 am)psychoslice Wrote: Hitler had some good ideas in the beginning, there is so much crap about him, even that he had one ball. I don't agree with him, but I think we should stop using him as an scapegoat.

What ideas of his do you like, Psycho?

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