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Poll: How would you react to learning a god existed, but not one you believe in?
This poll is closed.
I would ignore it, assume the evidence was mistaken and reject it out of hand.
1.52%
2 1.52%
If convinced of the evidence, I would be curious to learn as much about it as possible.
12.12%
16 12.12%
If convinced of the evidence, I would be disinterested to learn more about it.
0%
0 0%
Regardless of its intentions, I would be grateful to the god that created everything.
1.52%
2 1.52%
Depending on its intentions, I might very well not be at all grateful.
6.06%
8 6.06%
If I liked what I learned about this god, I'd would seek a relationship with it if that were possible.
5.30%
7 5.30%
Even if I liked what I learned about this god, I might nonetheless choose not to engage with it.
6.06%
8 6.06%
If the new god was interested in knowing me as an individual I would hope that it would approve of my life choices and conduct. If not, I'd be curious to understand why not.
6.06%
8 6.06%
If the new god was interested in knowing me as an individual I would not put much if any stock in its approval.
3.79%
5 3.79%
Assuming I liked this god and it was interested in me individually, I'd be interested to receive its guidance.
5.30%
7 5.30%
Assuming I liked this god and it was interested in me individually, I'd still prefer to make my own way without its guidance.
6.82%
9 6.82%
I would flat out worship everything about such a god, whether or not it was required and whether or not there was anything in it for me.
1.52%
2 1.52%
Worship has no place in my life, or even if it does, I would not look to apply it to this god.
6.82%
9 6.82%
Knowing there was a god interested in me personally would make a huge difference in or at least add real value to my life.
3.03%
4 3.03%
Knowing there was a god interested in me personally would not greatly impact my life.
7.58%
10 7.58%
If this revealed god could not or chose not to provide me with a life everlasting, I would be less favorably inclined toward it.
0.76%
1 0.76%
If this revealed god could not or chose not to provide me with a life everlasting, would not much change how I felt about it.
8.33%
11 8.33%
I identify as an atheist.
12.88%
17 12.88%
I identify as a theist.
2.27%
3 2.27%
I identify in a different manner. Please explain.
2.27%
3 2.27%
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How would you regard good evidence for a God you don't now believe in?
#21
RE: How would you regard good evidence for a God you don't now believe in?
(January 11, 2015 at 12:21 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote:
(January 8, 2015 at 9:38 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: An objectively revealed god, would mostly likely be some kind of demiurge which would still be very interesting but not maximally great.
So much for the Jesus myth.

Woot, woot!
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#22
RE: How would you regard good evidence for a God you don't now believe in?
I have noticed that I am the only one to select choice number one. I guess that makes me number one.

YAY! I am number one. I ... am ... god!

Oh shit, now I have to change my answer. Devil
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#23
RE: How would you regard good evidence for a God you don't now believe in?
(January 8, 2015 at 9:53 pm)whateverist Wrote: I really wanted it to be understood as evidence that only this one creator god existed and NOT the one you already believe in.

It's a hard one because all I understand of this God make him logically possible. You'd have to be saying that nature isn't as we perceive it. That gravity wasn't true.

If my God is light, love and spirit what does that make your God and how can he exist?

So I guess I'm saying: the mind explodeth Big Grin
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#24
RE: How would you regard good evidence for a God you don't now believe in?
Yep. So choice #1 looks better and better. Wink
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#25
RE: How would you regard good evidence for a God you don't now believe in?
That's what I thought lol Wink
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#26
RE: How would you regard good evidence for a God you don't now believe in?
(January 11, 2015 at 12:21 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote:
(January 8, 2015 at 9:38 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: An objectively revealed god, would mostly likely be some kind of demiurge which would still be very interesting but not maximally great.
So much for the Jesus myth.

Had to look up the word 'demiurge', seems to be 'creator' > creationism.

When you read everything they SAID ABOUT Jezus, he seemed to talk about 'some father', seldomly about God as such. The only parable he exlained himself would be the one of with the seads (= good words, word God even there could be meaning 'good') that mostly die in infurtile grounds. Jezus did NOT want to become famous, and in a beginning sentence "that Jezus got more and more loved by men" i also see that he used to be less lovely when he was a small kid and more pure in wisdom and thinking when he got older.

Whether Jezus was a myth or a real person, what we have is 'second hand', and a lot can have been setup (Jews eg. believe that another Jew Joseph paid to let him take away out of the grave so it is even not sure whether he 'survived' his crusification, but that can also be 'an arranged' item, we do not know).

But the things they "say he said" (pffft, dangerous stuff), sound very wise, for most persons so wise that it did not seem normal anymore.

I knew a lot of persons who told me such wise things from a small kid, but now, as we get older, we have to take the wisdom 'over'.

You can name me atheist, or religious. Mostly when people combine such things to "what i say" (not to what i do!), they do it for there OWN profit, because they deistic or because they think they're atheistic.

i am also a journalist, when people would love what i say, i would give me the idea i would be telling the wrong things. When they do not like what i see (as Charlie Hebdo), then you have a bigger 'chance/rating', you dear to tell 'more' truth (who ones truth?) and not wat people normally want to hear (facebook got very fundamentalistic, this will be a new book this month of mine, i hope).

Evi - dence (document, prove, obviousness, testification) comes from (classic Latin): ex + videntem whereby ex = "fully, out off" and videntem comes from nominativ videns (present participle of videre) = seen:

so evidence = like it can be fully seen from all sides leaving no doubt left nor darkness.

Nothing can be fully seen... everything has a dark (in Star Wars they mean with dark "with emotion, not good or bad as such", i learned from my son) side.

For some the love between man and wife is so extraourdinary it makes 'evidence' for them that a God or God exists.

But then we do not talk about evidence, but about recognizing, i presume...
1. If i step backwards, i am preparing to jump.
2. If you will not do it, i will.
3. I have never met a person who does not believe (in some...thing)
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#27
RE: How would you regard good evidence for a God you don't now believe in?
We probably all would initially respond with choice 1 in RL. It is only as a hypothetical that I can think about it at all. The interesting thing to me to note is that this is what every missionary, proselytizer and apologist is up against. The person suggesting they have a reason for you to consider a god other than the one you're already going steady with is not likely to get a warm welcome. And those like myself not in any relationship with a god aren't necessarily looking for one .. so stop trying to fix us up*!

*Not addressed to you, Fr0d0. I know you're fine with self determination .. followed by eternal damnation of course. Wink
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#28
RE: How would you regard good evidence for a God you don't now believe in?
IDK Whatevs, I don't have such a firm grip on the wheel of my mind as to stop it from wondering. Sometimes I don't even know where it's gone. Where is my mind....anyway - did it leave a note...will it ever come back :hugs himself tightly and sobs:?
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#29
RE: How would you regard good evidence for a God you don't now believe in?
The problem I have with answering this question is what exactly is a God, and how could I tell it apart from a really fancy alien?

Trying to get a definition of a God, even out of people who do nothing but worship it, is surprisingly hard :p

I'd most likely think I was going mad. Or dreaming. How can I tell I'm not dreaming. Can't. Double solipsism Kung fu chop.
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#30
RE: How would you regard good evidence for a God you don't now believe in?
(January 11, 2015 at 12:59 pm)whateverist Wrote: We probably all would initially respond with choice 1 in RL. It is only as a hypothetical that I can think about it at all. The interesting thing to me to note is that this is what every missionary, proselytizer and apologist is up against. The person suggesting they have a reason for you to consider a god other than the one you're already going steady with is not likely to get a warm welcome. And those like myself not in any relationship with a god aren't necessarily looking for one .. so stop trying to fix us up*!

*Not addressed to you, Fr0d0. I know you're fine with self determination .. followed by eternal damnation of course. Wink

Wow, did NOT know the English word "proselytizer". Thank you!!!

I fully agree with "so stop trying to fix us up!"!
I apollogize deeply if i gave the feeling that i wanted 'answers' to be forced. Love > believe may never be forced. Because then you start killing people. Thank you, i shut up after this magnificent answer, Whateverist!
1. If i step backwards, i am preparing to jump.
2. If you will not do it, i will.
3. I have never met a person who does not believe (in some...thing)
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