Anybody up for an arguement against my Christian beliefs?

[LEDO]

Describing yourself as a Christian apologist...you already lost.

[Ramen Noodles]

Its too unlikely of a coincidence that us humans and our world was made so perfect without some sort of personal work in the making. It has been stated that personal can only made by something personal, the impersonal are just tools of creation.

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The only reason a Christian would request such a debate would be a lack of faith to begin with. It is not up to the non-believer to teach science to the world. Just because you (the Christian) rolled your eyes and acted like a smart-ass in high school biology doesn't mean we owe you an explanation. If you want to learn the atheist viewpoint, read a biology textbook. Also read a non-biased history of the bible. You will then understand full well what all of here are talking about. Have a good day.

Hey i'm not the type of guy that is trying to conver anybody, just debate. I'm only doing this for a class project, I don't ever expect to be a missionary. We aren't all high and might smart asses, those guys are just some self righteous jerks that people can look through. Those Christians make my whole religion look bad.

[fr0d0]

I don't feel like arguing with someone who can't spell the word argument.

+ 1 cookie!

[Shell B]

I don't feel like arguing with someone who can't spell the word argument.

+ 1 cookie!

I hope it's oatmeal. I love oatmeal cookies.

[Ace Otana]

Its too unlikely of a coincidence that us humans and our world was made so perfect without some sort of personal work in the making. It has been stated that personal can only made by something personal,

Just wanted to point out something. No matter how slim the possibility of something, if there is a possibility then it can happen. I've gone through all this before. Examples can be found by looking into the sheer improbability of you and I being born. Also earth isn't perfect. In fact it isn't even perfectly round. Likely hood does not prove that someone or thing created all that we know.

Frodo, cans I has cookie too?

[tavarish]

Its too unlikely of a coincidence that us humans and our world was made so perfect without some sort of personal work in the making. It has been stated that personal can only made by something personal, the impersonal are just tools of creation.

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Our world and species was made perfectly. Let's take a look at that, shall we?

1. We cannot survive on 75% of its surface.
2. Much of its landmass is either extreme hot or extreme cold climate, also uninhabitable by humans.
3. Many animals can run faster, jump higher, see farther, and adapt to their surroundings faster than we can.
4. There are billions of planets in the universe. To think all of that was made for us is just arrogant at best.
5. People die every day of disease, famine, war, and natural disaster.

When you say "it has been stated", that's pretty vague. Provide a source please.

Also, take into consideration what you're asserting. The overwhelming complexity of the universe was created by a being. It would be fair to say that being would have to be more complex than the universe itself. It's solving a problem with a more complex problem, which does not make any sense. If you want to employ wishful thinking, go ahead, but please acknowledge that a belief in God is only that - a concept in your mind made to make you feel good. Everything after that is confirmation bias.

Hey i'm not the type of guy that is trying to conver anybody, just debate. I'm only doing this for a class project, I don't ever expect to be a missionary. We aren't all high and might smart asses, those guys are just some self righteous jerks that people can look through. Those Christians make my whole religion look bad.

They aren't REAL Christians, right?

[Darwinian]

Its too unlikely of a coincidence that us humans and our world was made so perfect without some sort of personal work in the making. It has been stated that personal can only made by something personal,

No it isn't! Prove it! Just because you say it's so doesn't make it true does it?

And why is it a coincidence? Coinciding with what exactly? Not us, because we are a part of and product of our world and if it had been any different then we would either be different ourselves and asking the same question of a different world or not here and saying nothing.

And what do you mean, made perfect? That makes no sense at all. Made perfect for whom? Us? If that's what you mean then you're in for an intellectually rough ride here I'm afraid.

[Minimalist]

He's right, Dar.

Its too unlikely of a coincidence that us humans and our world was made so perfect without some sort of personal work in the making.

He's too dumb to understand evolution. For him, better to believe in his sky-daddy. You wouldn't want him to sprain his brain, would you?

[Rev. Rye]

Well, here's an argument I've wanted to make for a while.


Fact: The movie The Girl Next Door is about the torture of two girls by their aunt, a churchgoing woman, and the neighborhood kids she attracts. The aunt and her children eventually zero in on one girl and eventually brand her and kill her after several months of torture. Think me frivolous for using Hollywood to argue against the existence of a loving, personal God? Well, as it turns out, and as that sentence below the title should have tipped off, this is actually based on a true story. The girl was Sylvia Likens. And, in many parts, the true story is even more brutal than the Hollywood version. What especially horrified me was that the kids who did the torturing effectively got off scot free, and the woman who led them, the Cherbnabog of Indianapolis, ended up living the last few years of her life as a free woman on an "I was high at the time" excuse.

Now, there are two replies that are often given to justify the non-interference of God in such matters from Christians and other Theists.
1) "There's always a silver lining." I heard from apologist Richard Swinburne that it was justifiable for God to not interfere with the Holocaust because it could give some individuals an opportunity for heroism. Be that as it may, there is no such example of heroism in the case of Sylvia. None of the kids seemed to find any real grounds for noncompliance with her aunt, and certainly, if there was, it all added to nothing. Even her sister, Jenny, who was also tortured, could only watch as her sister died a slow and painful death at the hands of the neighborhood kids.
2) "Why do I allow it? Why do You allow it?" You may also say that it is simply a matter of free will, and that it wouldn't be right for God to take away our free will. To this, I have to say this: so, if you know a girl is being tortured by her aunt and the children around her, and you have the power to stop them, but doing nothing, is that Good? For that matter, if one creates a universe in which such actions are options, and that it's imperative that those who want to do so are able to? How are any of these the marks of a Good, All-Powerful being?

[TimeDivider]

He's too dumb to understand evolution. For him, better to believe in his sky-daddy. You wouldn't want him to sprain his brain, would you?

Isn't that the worst part of debating a Christian? Not only do you have to debate the obvious flaws of believing in invisible things, but you have to educate them on basic scientific principle. Unfair to say the least.