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RE: The serpent, the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and the tree of life.
February 1, 2015 at 10:21 am
You guys are funny.
Being created in God's image, you cannot help but be smart.
Of course, there are degrees of intelligence and one might also ask,
"Smart? Compared to what?"
You think atheists have the corner on brightness? 
Maybe you need some more wattage in your lamps.
As I tried to show (I am feeling like Drich, minus his large amount of patience in repeating the answer over and over).
It is not the following after of knowledge that is messed up.
It is the folly of excluding the seeking of the most important knowledge in this life.
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RE: The serpent, the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and the tree of life.
February 1, 2015 at 11:13 am
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(February 1, 2015 at 10:21 am)professor Wrote: It is the folly of excluding the seeking of the most important knowledge in this life. "What's for dinner?"
"Where did I leave my car keys?"
"Bushy, Trimmed, or Bald?"
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RE: The serpent, the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and the tree of life.
February 1, 2015 at 11:49 am
(February 1, 2015 at 10:21 am)professor Wrote: You guys are funny.
Being created in God's image, you cannot help but be smart.
Of course, there are degrees of intelligence and one might also ask,
"Smart? Compared to what?"
You think atheists have the corner on brightness?
Maybe you need some more wattage in your lamps.
As I tried to show (I am feeling like Drich, minus his large amount of patience in repeating the answer over and over).
It is not the following after of knowledge that is messed up.
It is the folly of excluding the seeking of the most important knowledge in this life.
I get the impression from others that this is going to be a waste of time but what the hell. Might as well experience it for myself.
Professor, we know we don't have a monopoly on intelligence and we get it when you say there is nothing wrong with seeking scientific knowledge in itself. The problem is, you are claiming that seeking scientific knowledge interferes with knowledge of God. Can't you see what a flim-flam that looks like? It looks like you want to keep us ignorant so we are easier to manipulate. Indeed, history is full of examples of the church doing just that. Political leaders do the same thing. It's an old trick.
You cannot expect a thinking person to simply accept what you are selling without examining it. We've examined it and found it to be the worst kind of pure crap. It doesn't stand up to logic, it doesn't stand up to evidence and most importantly, it doesn't stand up to facts. Would you accept ANYTHING else aside from religion that similarly failed that test? Why do you make an exception for religion? Why would you expect us to?
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RE: The serpent, the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and the tree of life.
February 1, 2015 at 1:13 pm
(February 1, 2015 at 10:21 am)professor Wrote: It is not the following after of knowledge that is messed up.
It is the folly of excluding the seeking of the most important knowledge in this life. Adam and Eve were not cursed for not seeking the most important knowledge. They were cursed only for seeking a particular kind of knowledge. Considering that they had direct access to god for an untold amount of time (billions of years, to hear Drich tell it) there is no reason that they would not have been granted "the most important knowledge" with no concerns about interpretation or understanding. And yet, when told by a snake that it was okay to disobey god, Eve didn't even hesitate. And the story tells us that Adam took what he was given without question.
It amazes me that anyone would blame the man and woman for their action, when years and years of direct access to the lord almighty had absolutely no impact on their desire to act independently. Even the angels in heaven seem unimpressed by god, if many of them abandoned heaven and joined Satan after his own death sentence had been made known. Those creatures, in the direct presence of god for untold eons, preferred death to staying with him. Did he also fail to impart knowledge to them? Or is god such a major weenie that only the threat of death keeps even a fraction of his followers from jumping ship?
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RE: The serpent, the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and the tree of life.
February 3, 2015 at 3:15 am
(February 1, 2015 at 10:21 am)professor Wrote: Of course, there are degrees of intelligence and one might also ask,
"Smart? Compared to what?"
You.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: The serpent, the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and the tree of life.
February 3, 2015 at 3:17 am
(February 1, 2015 at 1:13 pm)Tonus Wrote: Adam and Eve were not cursed for not seeking the most important knowledge. They were cursed only for seeking a particular kind of knowledge.
Not even that. They were cursed for disobedience; for not blindly following orders.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: The serpent, the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and the tree of life.
February 3, 2015 at 4:32 am
(February 3, 2015 at 3:15 am)Stimbo Wrote: (February 1, 2015 at 10:21 am)professor Wrote: Of course, there are degrees of intelligence and one might also ask,
"Smart? Compared to what?"
You.
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RE: The serpent, the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and the tree of life.
February 3, 2015 at 4:52 am
(February 3, 2015 at 3:17 am)Stimbo Wrote: (February 1, 2015 at 1:13 pm)Tonus Wrote: Adam and Eve were not cursed for not seeking the most important knowledge. They were cursed only for seeking a particular kind of knowledge.
Not even that. They were cursed for disobedience; for not blindly following orders.
Even better: they were cursed for choosing evil, before they knew the difference between good and evil.
Sounds like fair game to me, whaddya say?
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RE: The serpent, the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and the tree of life.
February 4, 2015 at 7:25 am
Typical deity: can create the world in 6 days, can't build a fence around a damn tree. Ironically - his "son" was supposed to be a carpenter.
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
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