Do we expect too much from human reason?

[Whateverist]

Much less uppity.

[Ben Davis]

Thoughtage point is that far right and far left have similar and predictable traits. This is a "truth" that really is empirical. We can argue it till we are blue in the face. The fact remains, list personality traits of people and we have not only an overlap but a large element of predictability. We don't have to like it. Some bitches are even afraid of it. It doesn't change the validity of the observation.

Actually, Thoughtage's point is that the 'trust' that rationalist, naturalist atheists have in 'human reason' is equivalent to the 'faith' that theists have in their deities and since faith is an unreliable tool, human reason can be dismissed therefore as a valid method of identifying the truth about the nature of reality. His position is patently false and easily rebutted. Further, he claims that all atheists are rationalist naturalists and subject to his analysis of faith/human reason therefore atheism can be dismissed as an unreliable worldview. He uses this equivalence as a rationale for distancing himself from the label 'atheist'. This is also an unachievable stretch for his position and rebutted as easily as his first point.

I'm not sure what you're going on about.

[comet]

Comet, you clearly don't get my point, nor do you understand that I'm not complaining about your name-calling, but rather, I'm mocking it. I've been called worse by better folks than you, and in person, thanks.

Or should I write "kthxbai"?

this is what you bring now? more emotional debris? "mocking me." really? whatever you need to justify yourself. BTW I didn't call you anything,


back to the point:

"stereotyping" is used in marketing and adverting. I think one of the op's point was that there are a limited number of personality types. These traits can and do over lap and are good predictors of how people behave. They are not perfect but trends are present. All the emotional bedris in the world doesn't change it.

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Thoughtage point is that far right and far left have similar and predictable traits. This is a "truth" that really is empirical. We can argue it till we are blue in the face. The fact remains, list personality traits of people and we have not only an overlap but a large element of predictability. We don't have to like it. Some bitches are even afraid of it. It doesn't change the validity of the observation.

Actually, Thoughtage's point is that the 'trust' that rationalist, naturalist atheists have in 'human reason' is equivalent to the 'faith' that theists have in their deities and since faith is an unreliable tool, human reason can be dismissed therefore as a valid method of identifying the truth about the nature of reality. His position is patently false and easily rebutted. Further, he claims that all atheists are rationalist naturalists and subject to his analysis of faith/human reason therefore atheism can be dismissed as an unreliable worldview. He uses this equivalence as a rationale for distancing himself from the label 'atheist'. This is also an unachievable stretch for his position and rebutted as easily as his first point.

I'm not sure what you're going on about.

Really all I was saying is that both atheist and theist (people) have similar traits. He used "faith" as a comparison and I went more general in overlapping traits of people. People started jumping on me about stereotyping. To tell the truth I was confused my buy their reaction too.