Catholic vandal on trial: punishment would be an "attack on Christians."

[SteelCurtain]

But he's not a True Christian™

[Huggy Bear]

Sure you can, but the story says nothing about the guy being influenced, just that he was doing what he was told to do, which included urinating on the monument, but go ahead and keep trying to label him as a christian when you never heard him claim any such thing.

No, you're right: I should definitely take the word of some random guy who's never met the man in question, over that of his own mother. That seems like the rational course of action, as it's clear that the person who has never met him would know more about him than his parent.

Oh wait: I don't have to do either. I can read what the man himself said about god, just before heading to freaking bible college.

So by that logic, all atheists who formerly attended church are in fact still devout Christians.

Of course his mother won't publicly announce him as being a satanist, even the most extreme westboro church member would accept a gay son/daughter before one that's a satanist.

I find it intensely bothersome that you continue to treat us all like one big atheist hive mind, as though the words of someone else are automatically part of my beliefs.

I'll believe you guys aren't part of one big hive mind when I actually see you guys correct a fellow atheist instead of giving him kudos when he starts to spew drivel.

[AFTT47]

Anyone who hasn't done so should read the link Esquilax provided. The man who did this is mentally ill.

[Esquilax]

So by that logic, all atheists who formerly attended church are in fact still devout Christians.

Of course his mother won't publicly announce him as being a satanist, even the most extreme westboro church member would accept a gay son/daughter before one that's a satanist.

This is the point: All of the evidence available points to the guy being a christian, with some mental illness that caused him to do what he did. You, based on nothing at all, are asserting that he wasn't a christian, because... why? It's convenient for your position?

You're the one scrabbling for ad hoc rationalizations to cover for your argument, here. I'm basing my position based on the words of the person we're talking about, and the people closest to him. This is not a situation where both positions have equal weight.

I'll believe you guys aren't part of one big hive mind when I actually see you guys correct a fellow atheist when he starts to spew drivel.

"I'll stop offensively generalizing when you start kowtowing to my arguments whenever it's convenient."

[Huggy Bear]

So by that logic, all atheists who formerly attended church are in fact still devout Christians.

Of course his mother won't publicly announce him as being a satanist, even the most extreme westboro church member would accept a gay son/daughter before one that's a satanist.

This is the point: All of the evidence available points to the guy being a christian, with some mental illness that caused him to do what he did. You, based on nothing at all, are asserting that he wasn't a christian, because... why? It's convenient for your position?

You're the one scrabbling for ad hoc rationalizations to cover for your argument, here. I'm basing my position based on the words of the person we're talking about, and the people closest to him. This is not a situation where both positions have equal weight.

OK we'll use his words from your article then.
http://newsok.com/oklahoma-man-accused-o...01/?page=2

Reed told his family that the devil was controlling him for three days.

Now, if you want to be Biblical, the devil has no power over someone filled with the holy spirit (read christian).

[Foxaèr]

I'll believe you guys aren't part of one big hive mind when I actually see you guys correct a fellow atheist instead of giving him kudos when he starts to spew drivel.

It has happened, dipshit. To me. I remember when I first started posting here, I was corrected a few time even though I identified as atheist.

[Chad32]

I got corrected just recently too, when I said that theists were atheistic towards every other god, and sometimes most denomonations of their faith. We just take it one step further. Someone didn't agree with that train of thought.

[Esquilax]

OK we'll use his words from your article then.
http://newsok.com/oklahoma-man-accused-o...01/?page=2

Reed told his family that the devil was controlling him for three days.

Now, if you want to be Biblical, the devil has no power over someone filled with the holy spirit (read christian).

And you know that he follows your specific interpretation of christianity... how?

Hell, I think it's pretty clear that what actually happened had something to do with his mental illness and not the devil, which of course provides a much more reasonable alternative solution to what you say above, in that he mistook his mental illness for demon possession, but that also doesn't say anything about his beliefs, which he explicitly stated to be christian. What's more likely, that he just doesn't interpret the bible the way you do, or was unaware of that verse, or that he wasn't a christian despite literally saying that he was. He's a christian: that doesn't necessarily entail that he's a good or well versed one. But the fact remains, the only proper evidence that we have points to him being a christian, and no amount of desperate grasping at straws by farting on about the bible, as though every christian follows it exactly the same way, is going to make that not be a thing.

Not that I don't find your complete unwillingness to just admit you were wrong extremely funny. You just keep on telling us how the guy believes exactly the opposite of what he said he believes.

It has happened, dipshit. To me. I remember when I first started posting here, I was corrected a few time even though I identified as atheist.

Ditto here: I've both corrected others, and been corrected by them. It's all good, none of us are perfect; just a few weeks ago- if that- I got into a discussion on evolution with another atheist here where both of us got corrected by the other on some element of the discussion or another. It does happen.

[Huggy Bear]

It has happened, dipshit. To me. I remember when I first started posting here, I was corrected a few time even though I identified as atheist.

Here in the Christianity forum? This is the only forum I post in, well other than one thread in the religion forum. I'd like to see a link, otherwise I must quote you again

An individual's word is always mere hearsay without the evidence to back up those words.

I got corrected just recently too, when I said that theists were atheistic towards every other god, and sometimes most denomonations of their faith. We just take it one step further. Someone didn't agree with that train of thought.

By an atheist? Isn't that blasphemy seeing how that is a quote from your god Dawkins?

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Hell, I think it's pretty clear that what actually happened had something to do with his mental illness and not the devil, which of course provides a much more reasonable alternative solution to what you say above, in that he mistook his mental illness for demon possession, but that also doesn't say anything about his beliefs, which he explicitly stated to be christian. What's more likely, that he just doesn't interpret the bible the way you do, or was unaware of that verse, or that he wasn't a christian despite literally saying that he was. He's a christian: that doesn't necessarily entail that he's a good or well versed one. But the fact remains, the only proper evidence that we have points to him being a christian, and no amount of desperate grasping at straws by farting on about the bible, as though every christian follows it exactly the same way, is going to make that not be a thing.

Not that I don't find your complete unwillingness to just admit you were wrong extremely funny. You just keep on telling us how the guy believes exactly the opposite of what he said he believes.

Except my position has always been that you determine a christian based on actions(evidence) not words(claims). You should be familiar with that concept....

[Chad32]

Well yeah, I burned him at the stake afterwards, but I'm saying it does happen.