The morality question

[deicide110]

why is it religious people can't get their head round us atheist's having morals? Just about every one of them asks where we get them from. Doesn't the question alone just highlight their own lack of confidence in their own abilty to be moral without god.

I once heard a preacher of a perticular religion criticise women for wearing short skirts saying "if you leave the meat out on a plate you can't blame the cat for eating it" surely this individual has no confidence in his ability to look at a woman and apreciate her beauty without resorting to contemplating raping her. It seems like the only thing from stopping him doing so was his religion

This must be one of the only qualities i find in religion. The fear of god seems to be the only thing keeping these people from killing, raping and torturing at will.

Laughable but true

[Darwinian]

Because they believe that everything comes from God, including morals. They also believe in moral absolutes meaning that they are fixed which is why they accuse us of making up new morals when it suits us.

When you point out that atheists are just as moral as they are, perhaps more they will simply say that although we don't believe, we still get our morals from God.

You can't win

[AtheistPhil]

(13th March 2010 19:52)Darwinian Wrote:  they will simply say that although we don't believe, we still get our morals from God.

You can't win

They're basically saying that God is subtly guiding us in disguise. But then it means God made us atheist! Or at least he's not in a rush to make us change our mind.

[deicide110]

yeah ain't that a fact! The've took pride in demonising all with a different opinion to their own since the dawn of their "word of god" and fortified themselves ever since. Each generation adding a brick to the wall. But having said this reason can never loose to ignorance and we shall eventually be heard

[Laurens]

The notion that the only thing stopping someone from becoming a psychotic lawless delinquent is an imaginary being in the sky is highly laughable, although somewhat insulting at the same time.

I would never dream of causing harm to another human, or infact an animal. I might be a godless heathen, but that doesn't equate to being immoral. In fact, I feel the scientific notion that all life is interrelated and interconnected gives more of a feeling of moral responsibility than religion ever did.

The most laughable aspect of that arguement however is people sitting and calling atheists immoral when their entire faith is based upon a highly reprehensible text, full of baby killing and merciless slaughter etc.

[deicide110]

I like the necker cube by the way darwinian thank god? i wasnt on lsd i'd be here all night looking at it

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i totally agree lauren i am offended just by the question. in asking such a question they deny us our humanity. But having said that they do think we're born with tails

[LukeMC]

If somebody has a solid understanding of what they think their god is and they can relate everything in the universe back to "him", the question "where do atheists get their morality from?" is a pretty valid question if asked from curiosity and a desire to learn. I think it's a great question if framed properly. It's just a shame that so many people use it rhetorically as an argument in its own right.

[LEDO]

Why be moral if you can be immoral? What's the point?

[deicide110]

It may be a valid question but not from those intent on demonising those inclined to answer
the real question is "if you don't believe in god would you commit crime based on that belief":thinking:

[LukeMC]

(13th March 2010 21:35)deicide110 Wrote:  It may be a valid question but not from those intent on demonising those inclined to answer
the real question is "if you don't believe in god would you commit crime based on that belief":thinking:

Oh I certainly agree that it is most often used *on the internet (ie by VFX types)* in a demonizing way. Am I giving too much credit to theists when I assume that most of them ask this question without the presupposition that atheists are immoral and won't be able to answer? Maybe the fact that I live in a very atheist area has clouded my vision of the wider world

*Edit where I noticed I completely contradicted myself. I know what I meant to say xD