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**Foxaèr** · February 17, 2015 at 11:21 pm

(February 17, 2015 at 11:20 pm)Razulxe 2 Wrote: How can man fathom creation.

Because man creates.

Razulxe 2 · February 17, 2015 at 11:23 pm

(February 17, 2015 at 11:18 pm)Sionnach Wrote:
(February 17, 2015 at 11:16 pm)Razulxe 2 Wrote: Can is a good word. Have you thought about effort and work as part of physics. IF physics is a creation then "infinite" has no effort.(infinite termed to express effortless).

There is too much effort in infinity. Imagine trying to figure out what to do for eternity: effort.

Would you also contradict a creator with time as in-where did the creator come from.

**Foxaèr** · February 17, 2015 at 11:24 pm

(February 17, 2015 at 11:23 pm)Razulxe 2 Wrote: Would you also contradict a creator with time as in-where did the creator come from.

Indeed, from whence would such a creator come? It couldn't have possibly come from nothing.

Razulxe 2 · February 17, 2015 at 11:26 pm

(February 17, 2015 at 11:24 pm)Sionnach Wrote:
(February 17, 2015 at 11:23 pm)Razulxe 2 Wrote: Would you also contradict a creator with time as in-where did the creator come from.

Indeed, from whence would such a creator come? It couldn't have possibly come from nothing.

Thats the fathoming I was speaking of. Why does there have to be a beginning for such. Only because that is what our eyes believe?

**Foxaèr** · February 17, 2015 at 11:27 pm

(February 17, 2015 at 11:26 pm)Razulxe 2 Wrote: Thats the fathoming I was speaking of. Why does there have to be a beginning for such.

Because everything we can perceive as being real has a beginning. What we cannot perceive is a creator; therefore, it does not exist.

Razulxe 2 · February 17, 2015 at 11:30 pm

(February 17, 2015 at 11:27 pm)Sionnach Wrote:
(February 17, 2015 at 11:26 pm)Razulxe 2 Wrote: Thats the fathoming I was speaking of. Why does there have to be a beginning for such.

Because everything we can perceive as being real has a beginning. What we cannot perceive is a creator; therefore, it does not exist.

Quite true because one cannot exist and also exist at the same time. There is no law for one who makes such laws.

**Foxaèr** · (This post was last modified: February 17, 2015 at 11:32 pm by Foxaèr.)

(February 17, 2015 at 11:30 pm)Razulxe 2 Wrote: Quite true because one cannot exist and also exist at the same time. There is no law for one who makes such laws.

The creator in the theistic sense is always in one's mind as a concept. Nothing more.

There is no law for the creator to make except that which man creates since he created the creator.

Surgenator · (This post was last modified: February 17, 2015 at 11:33 pm by Surgenator.)

" because one cannot exist and also exist at the same time"

Except for the schrodinger's cat

Razulxe 2 · February 17, 2015 at 11:37 pm

(February 17, 2015 at 11:31 pm)Sionnach Wrote:
(February 17, 2015 at 11:30 pm)Razulxe 2 Wrote: Quite true because one cannot exist and also exist at the same time. There is no law for one who makes such laws.

The creator in the theistic sense is always in one's mind as a concept. Nothing more.

There is no law for the creator to make except that which man creates since he created the creator.

I could recieve an answer from even someone of a theistic stance and they might debate on theistic limits. Simply because they claim faith or belief due to lack of scientific education. One cannot believe until they were first atheist.

**Foxaèr** · February 17, 2015 at 11:40 pm

(February 17, 2015 at 11:37 pm)Razulxe 2 Wrote: One cannot believe until they were first atheist.

One believes due to comfort of a lie. It is more appealing than the harsh truth of reality.

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