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(February 17, 2015 at 11:28 pm)Nestor Wrote: What belief would that be? The belief that your statements are rather dull, incoherent, incredibly petty, and unoriginal? No please blame me. I've taken a lot of time out of my life to really understand why that is in fact the case with your types.
The belief of science as in using it to contradict a creator whereas the idea of a creator contradics science.
Umm.. So much the worse for a creator then?
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
It is not up to the sceptic to disprove every claim. If it were, you'd have to constantly deal with crazy people, giving any unfounded nonsense they say equal weight and investigation. We only have a certain amount of time, and so we are only interested in claims that have evidence.
If you want to make a claim, you need to define what it is you are claiming, and it needs to be testable and falsifiable. Otherwise, you're creating an argument from ignorance by assuming you are right until you can be proved wrong. It's entirely backwards to how logic and science works. It's a logical fallacy, because it excludes the possibility that further evidence could prove you wrong, or that the truth of the claim is unknowable but false.
I don't claim there isn't a creator. It may be possible that there is one. But if there is, we currently know nothing about it.
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(February 17, 2015 at 10:26 pm)Razulxe 2 Wrote: Please, furnish this thread.
Translation: "Please make my case for me."
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
February 18, 2015 at 5:43 am (This post was last modified: February 18, 2015 at 6:30 am by Homeless Nutter.)
(February 18, 2015 at 12:17 am)Razulxe 2 Wrote: [...]
(not christian)-If jesus did ever exist im sure he really did have to perform miracles to build christianity. Thats what it would take esspecially now that theres enough proof to deny a gods existence.
Really? So I guess you're just as "sure" about Muhammad's miracles? And Buddha's? And John Smith's? And L. Ron Hubbard's? And Sai Baba's? And countless others? There are a hell of a lot of religions out there and if they're all based on truth, then why do they contradict each other? Are you following all of them? And how come there are no proven miracles right now? Apparently it used to happen all the time.
The whole trick of old-time religions is that they are old and nothing they say can be checked. Also - uneducated people (which is still the majority of humans, even in these advanced times) are gullible and really really don't want to die, so they believe anything their overlords tell them - otherwise they and their families get killed. Look at islamic countries - you either say you believe, or you are dead. That's how it used to be in christian countries few hundred years ago.
People teach their children to believe when they are too young to think critically - and that's how religions survive. Nothing to do with the truth of claims.
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
February 18, 2015 at 6:22 am (This post was last modified: February 18, 2015 at 6:24 am by robvalue.)
It's really dumb that people seem to think atheists don't want an afterlife, or worse, aren't going to get an afterlife (or be punished). Whether or not we get one, and what it is like, is not dependent on us believing in such a thing, or guessing at what it might be like.
Also, special pleading, as usual. My religion must be true because it's true. It says so in my book which is true, because it says it's true. All the other books that say they are true are false because mine says it's true.
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(February 18, 2015 at 6:22 am)robvalue Wrote: It's really dumb that people seem to think atheists don't want an afterlife, or worse, aren't going to get an afterlife (or be punished). Whether or not we get one, and what it is like, is not dependent on us believing in such a thing, or guessing at what it might be like.
No shit. It's like someone demanding that all of us imagine the exact same thing every time we masturbate and insisting that if we stray from the script in any way that our dicks/clits would fall off.
March 1, 2015 at 2:02 am (This post was last modified: March 1, 2015 at 2:14 am by The Reality Salesman01.)
Spot on.
To the OP, 1 skeptic reason why there's no creator? Without any information on a specific kind, I can't really rule it out. I suppose you want me to assume the "conscious" characteristic of this creator? The theist type, maybe? That seems to be the most common brand floating around anyway...
1 reason a theistic creator doesn't exist:
Christians.
Christians cannot even agree with each other on one of these gods. They can't all be right. And their existence only discredits others since it adds more to the pot of mutually exclusive gods. Christians and the bible are two very good reasons not to believe in God. In fact, you wanna believe in prophecies...here's an easy one:
(March 1, 2015 at 2:02 am)The Reality Salesman Wrote:
Spot on.
To the OP, 1 skeptic reason why there's no creator? Without any information on a specific kind, I can't really rule it out. I suppose you want me to assume the "conscious" characteristic of this creator? The theist type, maybe? That seems to be the most common brand floating around anyway...
1 reason a theistic creator doesn't exist:
Christians.
Christians cannot even agree with each other on one of these gods. They can't all be right. And their existence only discredits others since it adds more to the pot of mutually exclusive gods. Christians and the bible are two very good reasons not to believe in God. In fact, you wanna believe in prophecies...here's an easy one:
...that's why I'm proud to be an American.
That is irony in a nutshell even more ironic because its a extreme right wing republican holding the cross. Fascism because you know its republican approved.
![[Image: fascism-sarah-palin-flag-fascist-cross-r...893113.jpg]](https://cafewitteveen.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/fascism-sarah-palin-flag-fascist-cross-republican-demotivational-poster-1224893113.jpg)
...that's why I'm proud to be an American. 
