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Do you support euthanasia?
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 (February 18, 2015 at 12:07 pm)Faith No More Wrote:(February 18, 2015 at 11:59 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: I'm not sure I agree with that. Actually, yes I have. And I don't think it would.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson    (February 18, 2015 at 12:06 pm)robvalue Wrote: No, for sure, if the child wants to live, then it should live. I wasn't suggesting we make that choice for it. This is a legal and ethical problem - How do we know that if a child wants to die that's a legitimate consent? Kids make bad decisions everyday, that's the reason parents/tutors/adults make decisions for them all the time - To prevent poor management of life choices. An adult is fully mature (on principle) and aware of what it means to choose euthanasia - A child may be reasonably aware of what dying is but it's not the same. I have some doubts regarding this. I do think that if it's a 16 year old it's a bit different, but I'm talking about 5-10 year old kids
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 (February 18, 2015 at 12:08 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Actually, yes I have. And I don't think it would. Based upon what?
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
RE: Do you support euthanasia?
February 18, 2015 at 12:23 pm
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(February 18, 2015 at 12:15 pm)Faith No More Wrote:(February 18, 2015 at 12:08 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Actually, yes I have. And I don't think it would. I think we might be talking about two different things here. Are you saying that if euthanasia was permitted under the auspices of medical professionals, that suicide would increase amongst those who are mentally ill that go through the process of seeking out those medical professionals, or that suicide would increase amongst those who are mentally ill that don't seek out medical professionals (i.e. they do it themselves), due to the increased acceptance of suicide?
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson RE: Do you support euthanasia?
February 18, 2015 at 12:32 pm
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(February 18, 2015 at 12:23 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: I think we might be talking about two different things here. Are you saying that if euthanasia was permitted under the auspices of medical professionals, that suicide would increase amongst those who are mentally ill that go through the process of seeking out those medical professionals, or that suicide would increase amongst those who are mentally ill that don't seek out medical professionals (i.e. they do it themselves), due to the increased acceptance of suicide? The latter. I'm not saying that it would necessarily be the result, but I have a very strong fear that it would.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
(February 18, 2015 at 12:32 pm)Faith No More Wrote:(February 18, 2015 at 12:23 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: I think we might be talking about two different things here. Are you saying that if euthanasia was permitted under the auspices of medical professionals, that suicide would increase amongst those who are mentally ill that go through the process of seeking out those medical professionals, or that suicide would increase amongst those who are mentally ill that don't seek out medical professionals (i.e. they do it themselves), due to the increased acceptance of suicide? Ah, then we were indeed talking about different things. Yeah I've no idea about how that factor would turn out, but hopefully a shift in the way society views mental illness entirely is underway as well.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson 
Yes, I support euthanasia.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter  RE: Do you support euthanasia?
February 18, 2015 at 2:24 pm
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(February 18, 2015 at 1:47 am)IanHulett Wrote: For people who are terminally ill, that have no future, and no hope for recovery, and are suffering day and night for months to years, do you think they should have the option to end their lives via euthanasia? Yes, absolutely. And I think anyone who wants to die should be allowed to kill themselves, terminally ill or not. (Though really, life is a terminal condition for us all. Your time is limited, and you will certainly die, sooner or later.) Frankly, though, if I ever do decide to kill myself, I am not going to let a little thing like it being illegal to get in my way. They can put my dead body in jail if they wish. But in the case of the terminally ill, or those who are in incurable pain, they should be aided in their deaths, if they wish it. "A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence." — David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
 (February 18, 2015 at 2:24 pm)Pyrrho Wrote:(February 18, 2015 at 1:47 am)IanHulett Wrote: For people who are terminally ill, that have no future, and no hope for recovery, and are suffering day and night for months to years, do you think they should have the option to end their lives via euthanasia? ^^^^ What Phyro said. Yes here. "The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
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