Proof of God

[robvalue]

Holy christ Harris, you still don't understand what an atheist is, after all this time on the forum, having explained it to you over and over and me writing lots of detail on my website.

You're making no effort to learn anything ever, so I'm done talking to you.

Thank you DBP for addressing the points aimed at me I wouldn't have had the motivation anymore.

[Pizza]

He keeps posting absurdly large wall of texts. Does he understand how Internet forums work?

[bennyboy]

“The life of this world is alluring to those who reject faith, and they scoff at those who believe. But the righteous will be above them on the Day of Resurrection; for Allah bestows His abundance without measure on whom He will.”
Al Baqarah (2)
-Verse 212-

“And now they reject the truth when it reaches them: but soon shall they learn the reality of what they used to mock at.”
Al An'am (6)
-Verse 5-

The only threat your Allah represents to me is the insanity of the people who believe in him, but who believe he's so weak they must punish nonbelievers themselves, who in their clear lack of real faith believe that Allah is not capable of either judging or of executing His judgment without the help of AK47s. Guns are real, even if they are held by those whose beliefs are founded without either logic or evidence.

Remember the OP, or its title? All your oppressive walls of text, side arguments, non sequiturs and circular appeals to the text which represents your God idea-- which you paradoxically use to support your God idea-- still don't add up to proof. Despite its name, "argumentum ad nauseam" isn't actually a form of argument!

Unlike others here, I sometimes lean toward the idea that there may be a creator. But if so, it couldn't possibly be the one you say it is. "A tree shall be judged according to the fruit it bears": but your tree bears the fruit of illogic, of intolerance, of a deliberate ignorance of the universe (which is sacriligious because you claim God made that universe, and willful ignorance of scientific truths therefore represents a love of the words of men over the reality of God's holy creation) and of threats to health or life under the obvious lie of the promise of "peace."

[Cyberman]

Holy christ Harris, you still don't understand what an atheist is, after all this time on the forum, having explained it to you over and over and me writing lots of detail on my website.

No, he knows. He's just hoping that by sticking his fingers in his ears and shouting "T'isn't! T'isn't! T'isn't!", he can make it go away.

He thrusts his fists against the posts
And still insists he sees the ghosts.

Also, it's a shame isn't it? GMan here probably spent ages building his text wall. I wonder how many of us, like me, thought "fuck that" and just skipped right past?

[Brakeman]

I want to know if he's found any winged horses! I'd love to see a real one, or at least the fossils of one.

Until then he's a idiot!

[Funcaldunkal]

Is the original poster constituting that the overarching forces behind the universe must be God? Would you then presume it is conscious of itself or unconscious? Do you believe it meddles in the affairs of others or that it itself, is the totality of all things? You should have explained those aspects OP, so people would know.

[Harris]

“The life of this world is alluring to those who reject faith, and they scoff at those who believe. But the righteous will be above them on the Day of Resurrection; for Allah bestows His abundance without measure on whom He will.”
Al Baqarah (2)
-Verse 212-

“And now they reject the truth when it reaches them: but soon shall they learn the reality of what they used to mock at.”
Al An'am (6)
-Verse 5-

The only threat your Allah represents to me is the insanity of the people who believe in him, but who believe he's so weak they must punish nonbelievers themselves, who in their clear lack of real faith believe that Allah is not capable of either judging or of executing His judgment without the help of AK47s.  Guns are real, even if they are held by those whose beliefs are founded without either logic or evidence.  

Remember the OP, or its title?  All your oppressive walls of text, side arguments, non sequiturs and circular appeals to the text which represents your God idea-- which you paradoxically use to support your God idea-- still don't add up to proof.  Despite its name, "argumentum ad nauseam" isn't actually a form of argument!

Unlike others here, I sometimes lean toward the idea that there may be a creator.  But if so, it couldn't possibly be the one you say it is.  "A tree shall be judged according to the fruit it bears": but your tree bears the fruit of illogic, of intolerance, of a deliberate ignorance of the universe (which is sacriligious because you claim God made that universe, and willful ignorance of scientific truths therefore represents a love of the words of men over the reality of God's holy creation) and of threats to health or life under the obvious lie of the promise of "peace."

For Bennyboy

 

A person uses black sheep to form a metaphorical or analogical reasoning primarily to justify his unjustified blames. It is counted as a deliberate, intentional act or it is more like negligence or heedlessness. This way, such a person promotes his own narrow selfish interests. His tactics include rationalization, wilful ignorance, and systematic ignoring. Having (and using) suspicions and partial knowledge of the faults of black sheep, he avoid further inquiry, closing ‘the eyes of the mind’ as easily as those of the body.

 

Do not try to judge Islam by looking at chicken headed culprits who do not know Quran and Hadith or perhaps they are not Muslims at all.

 

If you do not know about Islam then strive to get proper knowledge instead of believing popular media. However, knowledge involves universality and necessity and demands activity.

 

In today’s world, almost anyone can access to the knowledge that determine whether the beliefs are justified or unjustified. Try to understand Quran and Hadith before you give hasty conclusions.

 

Response to others

 

1.       Achievement of ultimate happiness in the infinitesimal human life is impossible for the reason that people lack meaning of life because they are invariably dissatisfied; either they have not yet obtained what they seek, or they have obtained it and are bored.

 

2.       Human lifetime and intelligence are adequate for the understanding of basic functioning of everything because intelligible knowledge depends upon certain innate ideas that direct the soul to its cognitive and moral end.

 

Repetition, “the new is the old”, originally provides for conceptual control over the natural world by revealing an intelligible order. If the world is intelligible, there is continuity that underlies the flux of human experience; in self-consciousness, one is aware of various sensory and introspective phenomena that are unified in that they are objects of a single awareness.

 

3.       Consciousness is not a materialist concept because it is formless. Consciousness does not create the sensory sphere; rather it is the effect of interaction of a sense organ and its proper object. Inner perception (Intellect, pleasure, pain, desire, aversion, effort, etc.) is not the “inferential knowledge.”

 

A computer that interprets Chinese language does not understand a word of Chinese. Computer recognizes only syntax symbols characterized by spelling only, not meaning, while thought and understanding require meaning and semantics. You cannot get semantics from mere syntax, no matter how subtle or complicated it may be.

 

4.       Quantum Vacuum is not “Absolute Nothingness.” It is not something that is incoherent figments of human imaginations. In a layman’s language, Quantum Vacuum is a form of energy and energy is the base of mass (all elements). In the concepts of space, time, causality and substance, “energy” cannot be eternal.

 

Albert Einstein (1879-1955) unified the conservation of mass and of energy into a single law by arguing for the equivalence, or interchangeability, of mass and energy.

 

[robvalue]

I'll bear that in mind!

[bennyboy]

 

A person uses black sheep to form a metaphorical or analogical reasoning primarily to justify his unjustified blames. It is counted as a deliberate, intentional act or it is more like negligence or heedlessness. This way, such a person promotes his own narrow selfish interests. His tactics include rationalization, wilful ignorance, and systematic ignoring. Having (and using) suspicions and partial knowledge of the faults of black sheep, he avoid further inquiry, closing ‘the eyes of the mind’ as easily as those of the body.

 

Do not try to judge Islam by looking at chicken headed culprits who do not know Quran and Hadith or perhaps they are not Muslims at all.

 

If you do not know about Islam then strive to get proper knowledge instead of believing popular media. However, knowledge involves universality and necessity and demands activity.

 

In today’s world, almost anyone can access to the knowledge that determine whether the beliefs are justified or unjustified. Try to understand Quran and Hadith before you give hasty conclusions.

 

So the Quran does not contain the word "jihad"?  Jihad is not part of the Islamic tradition?

[LostLocke]

I'd also like to know what 'ultimate happiness' is.
Every person has their own ideas and preferences about things that make them happy. While many people share similar basic ideas for happiness, there is no one thing or one category that everyone would say "All of this makes me happy, and nothing that's missing from it would make me happy." That would only happen if we were absolutely identical in our opinions and preferences. Basically, if we were automatons.