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The Lie: Hands up. Don't shoot.
#31
RE: The Lie: Hands up. Don't shoot.
I haven't looked it up yet but since every faux conservative outrage piece, from Acorn to Shirley Sherod to Benghazi to the IRS "scandal" has turned out to be complete bs, I'm going to go out on a limb and express my skepticism that there was any deliberate attempt to deceive anyone. 

Now back to my issue, I have always posted that the Michael Brown shooting was rendered virtually moot in the context of the larger issue of systematic racism as demonstrated by the over-the-top reaction by the Ferguson Police Department to peaceful protests. 

This is hardly an unrelated issue, since the whole point of conservative focus on Michael Brown is to with the implicit argument that if this shooting really was justified, then the whole grievance the community has with charges of systematic racism must also be wrong. Go ahead and deny that this is your tactic. 
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#32
RE: The Lie: Hands up. Don't shoot.
As I recall, wasn't Brown's body found like 50 feet away from the cop's car with all the bullets in his back, not his front, and with all the bullet casings about ten feet from Wilson's car?
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#33
RE: The Lie: Hands up. Don't shoot.
(March 31, 2015 at 10:47 am)Creed of Heresy Wrote: As I recall, wasn't Brown's body found like 50 feet away from the cop's car with all the bullets in his back, not his front, and with all the bullet casings about ten feet from Wilson's car?

No.

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Generally a Sig P229 like the one used to shoot Michael Brown ejects spent casings to the rear.

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http://www.forcescience.org/articles/She...gStudy.pdf

If that is true then what the forensic evidence gather at the crime scene says about the location of the shooter and victim is two shots were fired from the general location of the police car. Michael Brown then took off down the road and Wilson started after him on foot.

What the location of the body in relation to the rest of the shell casings says is that at some point Brown turned around and start moving back towards Wilson. Wilson began shooting and retreating. Michael Brown advanced past the point where Wilson was originally standing when he started shooting the second time before he fell.
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#34
RE: The Lie: Hands up. Don't shoot.
(March 31, 2015 at 9:35 am)DeistPaladin Wrote: I haven't looked it up yet but since every faux conservative outrage piece, from Acorn to Shirley Sherod to Benghazi to the IRS "scandal" has turned out to be complete bs, I'm going to go out on a limb and express my skepticism that there was any deliberate attempt to deceive anyone. 

Now back to my issue, I have always posted that the Michael Brown shooting was rendered virtually moot in the context of the larger issue of systematic racism as demonstrated by the over-the-top reaction by the Ferguson Police Department to peaceful protests. 

This is hardly an unrelated issue, since the whole point of conservative focus on Michael Brown is to with the implicit argument that if this shooting really was justified, then the whole grievance the community has with charges of systematic racism must also be wrong. Go ahead and deny that this is your tactic. 

Quote:Go ahead and deny that this is your tactic. 

Consider it denied, Ass Hole 

If you want to argue racism within the Ferguson police department then start another thread and debate that issue there.

This thread is about how the left leaning media, race hustlers, and leftist activist used a lie to foment a lynch mob mentality against a white police officer, and to agitate rioting, burn a city, destroy property, loot businesses, and targeted police officers for murder.

Yeah, some peaceful protests.
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#35
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Bless you A Theist. 

"Am not". What a brilliant retort. 
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#36
RE: The Lie: Hands up. Don't shoot.
(April 1, 2015 at 3:28 am)A Theist Wrote: This thread is about how the left leaning media, race hustlers, and leftist activist used a lie to foment a lynch mob mentality against a white police officer, and to agitate rioting, burn a city, destroy property, loot businesses, and targeted police officers for murder.

Do you have any examples that we can examine?  Or are you going to keep discussing the topic by not discussing the topic?
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#37
RE: The Lie: Hands up. Don't shoot.
"Fuck you, asshole" huh? I hit pretty close to the mark to get you all riled up like that. 

And who's "scruffy looking"?





Sorry, I've seen this GOP "Poison the Well" dance too many times not to recognize it.

Step 1: Get busted being corrupt, abusive or stupid. (Racism and jack booted thuggery in the Ferguson Police)
Step 2: Go on the offensive, find some chink in the opponent's armor, no matter how insignificant. ("hands up" was never proven)
Step 3: Harp on it endlessly to the exclusion of more important points. ("I don't want to talk about the racism in the Ferguson police on this thread")
Step 4: Imply that since this one point was wrong (or just not proven), the whole case must be wrong. 
Step 5: If called out for poisoning the well, start screaming ad hominems and wild unproven accusations. (something something race baiters something something riots and mayhem something something lynch mobs something dogs and cats living together)



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#38
RE: The Lie: Hands up. Don't shoot.
(April 4, 2015 at 9:46 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: Sorry, I've seen this GOP "Poison the Well" dance too many times not to recognize it.

Step 1: .. (Racism and jack booted thuggery in the Ferguson Police)
Step 2: .. ("hands up" was never proven)
Step 3:..("I don't want to talk about the racism in the Ferguson police on this thread")
Step 4: Imply that since this one point was wrong (or just not proven), the whole case must be wrong. 
Step 5: If called out for poisoning the well, start screaming ad hominems and wild unproven accusations. (something something race baiters something something riots and mayhem something something lynch mobs something dogs and cats living together)

Funny you should use the term "racebaiting."

Forensically, the Michael Brown case is an easy call. The evidence did not match the witnesses at all, in fact it took away all  possibility that the false witnessing was not a fraudulent attempt at lynching a white cop.

The safe conclusion about Ferguson is that the city is very racially polarized with majority racist blacks hating minority racist whites.. It's an argument of "which came first the chicken or the egg" except it's about racial distrust.

Personally I would bet that the black men in Furguson are more likely to nurture a racist attitude against whites than the whites against blacks. I don't know for sure because I don't live there, but here in Columbia SC, I guarantee that this is the case.
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#39
RE: The Lie: Hands up. Don't shoot.
(April 4, 2015 at 10:09 pm)Brakeman Wrote: Funny you should use the term "racebaiting."

Forensically, the Michael Brown case is an easy call. The evidence did not match the witnesses at all, in fact it took away all  possibility that the false witnessing was not a fraudulent attempt at lynching a white cop.

The safe conclusion about Ferguson is that the city is very racially polarized with majority racist blacks hating minority racist whites.. It's an argument of "which came first the chicken or the egg" except it's about racial distrust.

Personally I would bet that the black men in Furguson are more likely to nurture a racist attitude against whites than the whites against blacks. I don't know for sure because I don't live there, but here in Columbia SC, I guarantee that this is the case.

But for the police reaction in the aftermath, the entire shooting might not have even made it to the national radar, certain not for as long as it has. I've said from day 1 that the individual shooting was made moot by the police thuggery. By "moot", I mean we could grant every claim the police made about Michael Brown and still the whole incident would have been overshadowed by far more disturbing problems ranging from the militarization of the police to the double-standards in how right wing vs. left wing protests are handled to the institutionalized racism of the Ferguson Police. 


The militarization of the police is getting to be a serious issue in America. A Theist and other apologists for thuggery can evoke images of rioters all they like but we have video footage of media camera crews being fired upon, police firing tear gas cannisters into back yards indiscriminately and reports of them arresting and roughing up reporters just because they were typing on their laptop computers in a restaurant. The militarization of the police gives departments an incentive to use the shiny toys they get from the military or lose them. We need to deal with this issue or what happened in Ferguson can happen anywhere. 

The double-standards between left wing vs. right wing protests couldn't be more stark, comparing Ferguson to Bundy Ranch. Conservatives shriek about how "hands up, don't shoot" is somehow irresponsibly fostering violence and yet the Tea Baggers can not only use incendiary rhetoric ("don't tread on me", "we came unarmed this time", and quoting "the tree of liberty...") but romanticize insurrection and violence as a means of getting political results. Yet, the same conservative shriekers like A Theist won't say a peep when some deranged right wing terrorist decides to go murder some federal agents. See also my thread on "It's OK to Kill Cops if You're a Republican". 

And of course, the institutionalized racism of the Ferguson Police is completely glossed over in this latest tantrum of right wing manufactured outrage. 

So say what you will about Michael Brown. Maybe the shooting really was justified. In light of these much larger issues, the point is virtually moot. A Theist's attempt to make that the focus is a tactic of poisoning the well. 
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...       -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
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#40
RE: The Lie: Hands up. Don't shoot.
You say that the militarization and thuggery of the Ferguson Police Department overshadows the attempted racial lynching of a white cop? Well, I wouldn't say it overshadows it by much. I think it's really racist to ignore the elephant in the room of black racism and pretend that this is only a white cop problem. There really really really isn't anything different about a black man's mind that prevents him from being just a racist as the grand white wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, so why are so many progressive people afraid to speak fairly of the incident?

I didn't watch much of the protests, but given what I've seen of the videos, the police were ready to bully everyone into submission. I think that they forget that if you need to bully more than 49% of the people, you're always in the wrong in a democracy, and those cops looked ready to bully everyone that wasn't a cop. I do so agree with you that this is a terrible fate that we've let our personal liberties fall so easily to the overzealous.
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