Ultimate revelations of God.

[TruthWorthy]

I'm not claiming that my beliefs are subject to everyone though. I "merely" say that my belief stems from my personal experiences, which shouldn't be denied as false because others can't be shown their truth.

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Subjective truth is an oxymoron it's sort of like military intelligence lol. I personally hate when Christians define their beliefs as absolute truth when they base themselves on faith alone as TW did in his last post.

I was lazy in that post. I was working from the presumption at the start that 'atheism removes meaning and so on whereas theism sort of has the opposite effect of allowing meaning, etc'.
Cheers, I didn't mean to sound as though it were completely true.

[chatpilot]

TW wrote: I "merely" say that my belief stems from my personal experiences, which shouldn't be denied as false because others can't be shown their truth."

Here is my problem with this TW, if we base our religious beliefs on experiences then we would have to include all the other religions out there that are claiming experiences as well. Christianity could not be the exception to the rule. Here are some examples I pulled from wikipedia to illustrate my point more succinctly.

Differing religious traditions have described this fundamental religious experience in different ways:

* Nullification and absorption within God's Infinite Light (Chassidic schools of Judaism)
* Complete detachment from the world (Kaivalya in some schools of Hinduism, including Sankhya and Yoga; Jhana in Buddhism)
* Liberation from the cycles of Karma (Moksha in Sikhism, Jainism and Hinduism, Nirvana In Buddhism)
* Deep intrinsic connection to the world (Satori in Mahayana Buddhism, Te in Taoism)
* Union with God (Henosis in Neoplatonism and Theosis in Christianity, Brahma-Prapti or Brahma-Nirvana in Hinduism)
* Innate Knowledge (Irfan and fitra in Islam)
* Experience of one's true blissful nature (Samadhi or Svarupa-Avirbhava in Hinduism)

[TruthWorthy]

You mean to say that the contradiction between different belief systems would have to imply at least half of the entirety as incorrect. I think that if God is an unstructured force there would be chaos about whose version of Him was correct. Hence the middle ages being rife and having inhouse 'fights to the death' over the 'truth' of there being (for example) a god of rain but no god of water. My belief is that God has a dilute form which can function through different systems. My belief is that I found Him where I would understand Him.

[chatpilot]

TW wrote: "You mean to say that the contradiction between different belief systems would have to imply at least half of the entirety as incorrect."

No but when I was a Christian that was my experience and here in the states which is rife with Christianity and its innumerable variations to this day those churches compete with each other in a negative way. If you tell a Baptist, Methodist, or any other group that you are catholic they will tell you that the Catholic church is false and of Satan etc. etc. If you are Baptist and tell a Pentecostal that you are Baptist you will get a similar reply.

TW wrote: "My belief is that God has a dilute form which can function through different systems. My belief is that I found Him where I would understand Him."

If he his "dilute form" as you say can function through different systems, then wouldn't that defeat the purpose of revealing himself through his word to mankind? If I can get the same or similar feelings from god say through Hinduism for example then why bother to seek him through Christianity? Besides according to the bible god condemns other religious beliefs that are opposed to the one he has revealed.

[TheDisciple]

This seems to be a prime example of good vs evil. It seems to be a classic conflict all of humanity faced and faces to this day. The conflict: A deep inner confusion between God, self, and the world. The comment above was something of, "I think that if God is an unstructured force there would be chaos about whose version of Him was correct." Here in lives the problem, "if God is." Scripture would reveal, I AM. The whole game of life is to chase this infinite question with vexated answers and the living of meaningless lives if it were not for grace, love, mercy, etc...all the characters of I AM. "Unstructured force"...by worldly standards or simply a vague comprehension of pure bliss (eternity)? The question is not about God's own comprehension or attributes, it is a discussion of how the forces of darkness comprehend God's light...which they comprehend not. By this I mean they know of it most definitely but do not comprehend its meaning, composition, so on and so forth. Hence our being here (haha). The reason I know God is alive, personal with us, and alone is God stems from the fact that all things resound His name. The sun, moon, stars, animals, trees, people, bodily organs and processes, atomic and subatomic particles...everything we know! We, as humans, are His image. We were not meant to feel naked in His presence. Look how our bodies evolve; shed hair, larger brain for cognition, dulled senses, loss of instict for intellect....all mechanisms to hide our shame. The essence of our sin, to take on time and go against the "grain" of eternity. We ask, "who is God?" Well, why don't you look inside. And by the way, what we think God is does nothing against what the Serpent of old knows God is. I understand you (truthworthy) do not see Him as an unstructured force, but nonetheless you found Him at a place of security...no doubt brother/sister ? ?

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Also noteworthy, Jesus of Nazareth resounded God's name with His own tongue, to mind, body, soul, and spirit. Look at the chaos He was surrounded by...haha...seems someone found the truth!

[Edwardo Piet]

@ the OP

Sounds to me like you've let your emotions rule you instead of using your head TruthWorthy, no offence. So you believe in God now and not just that - Catholism (back to that again eh? Sheesh) - and what evidence have you actually come across? None? Just felt emotions and given into them... you crave religion, is that it? Or am I missing something here? (something that is actually true that is).

EvF

[TheDisciple]

*This is an emotional response to God from myself in form of poetry and praise.

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[Darwinian]

This is your final warning.

This is a DISCUSSION forum and NOT a place for you to post your poems or to preach at us. Especially as you have only been here 5 minutes and you've already been warned about preaching.

If you can't enter into proper and meaningful discussions with other members then you will simply be banned. Something I would rather not have to do.

[Rhizomorph13]

*This is an emotional response to God from myself in form of poetry and praise.

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* Rhizomorph13 vomits!

[Autumnlicious]

*This is an emotional response to God from myself in form of poetry and praise.

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* Rhizomorph13 vomits!

* Synackaon sighs and gives Rhizomorph13 a towel. Clean up your mess