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Ultimate revelations of God.
#21
RE: Ultimate revelations of God.
* Rhizomorph13 sighs and cleans up his sick all while shaking his fist at TheDisciple.
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#22
RE: Ultimate revelations of God.
The very title of this thread betrays it, since there are in my opinion no ultimate revelations of god whatsoever. So far all we've heard are revelations based on emotions and reinterpretations of how Christians see god everywhere around them and are in awe of his magnificence.
There is nothing people will not maintain when they are slaves to superstition

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#23
RE: Ultimate revelations of God.
(March 28, 2010 at 3:44 am)chatpilot Wrote: TW wrote: "You mean to say that the contradiction between different belief systems would have to imply at least half of the entirety as incorrect."

No but when I was a Christian that was my experience and here in the states which is rife with Christianity and its innumerable variations to this day those churches compete with each other in a negative way. If you tell a Baptist, Methodist, or any other group that you are catholic they will tell you that the Catholic church is false and of Satan etc. etc. If you are Baptist and tell a Pentecostal that you are Baptist you will get a similar reply.
I think too many people hold their view above others views within religious organisations, sometimes doctrine through desire for funding, otherwise as a general response within the church for confirmation and/or numbers. I don't think this judgemental approach trully reflects love of all mankind, as is the story.
chatpilot Wrote:TW wrote: "My belief is that God has a dilute form which can function through different systems. My belief is that I found Him where I would understand Him."

If he his "dilute form" as you say can function through different systems, then wouldn't that defeat the purpose of revealing himself through his word to mankind? If I can get the same or similar feelings from god say through Hinduism for example then why bother to seek him through Christianity? Besides according to the bible god condemns other religious beliefs that are opposed to the one he has revealed.
Christianity might be the faith that your home land possesses. The reasoning I've heard some state regarding other religions is that it's like a sort of rejection to God, as he's presented to you. You can't understand Him any better by searching all the diverse ranges, one is complicated enough - as life is.
(April 7, 2010 at 12:57 am)TheDisciple Wrote: This seems to be a prime example of good vs evil. It seems to be a classic conflict all of humanity faced and faces to this day. The conflict: A deep inner confusion between God, self, and the world. The comment above was something of, "I think that if God is an unstructured force there would be chaos about whose version of Him was correct." Here in lives the problem, "if God is." Scripture would reveal, I AM. The whole game of life is to chase this infinite question with vexated answers and the living of meaningless lives if it were not for grace, love, mercy, etc...all the characters of I AM. "Unstructured force"...by worldly standards or simply a vague comprehension of pure bliss (eternity)? The question is not about God's own comprehension or attributes, it is a discussion of how the forces of darkness comprehend God's light...which they comprehend not. By this I mean they know of it most definitely but do not comprehend its meaning, composition, so on and so forth. Hence our being here (haha). The reason I know God is alive, personal with us, and alone is God stems from the fact that all things resound His name. The sun, moon, stars, animals, trees, people, bodily organs and processes, atomic and subatomic particles...everything we know! We, as humans, are His image. We were not meant to feel naked in His presence. Look how our bodies evolve; shed hair, larger brain for cognition, dulled senses, loss of instict for intellect....all mechanisms to hide our shame. The essence of our sin, to take on time and go against the "grain" of eternity. We ask, "who is God?" Well, why don't you look inside. And by the way, what we think God is does nothing against what the Serpent of old knows God is. I understand you (truthworthy) do not see Him as an unstructured force, but nonetheless you found Him at a place of security...no doubt brother/sister ? ?
Also noteworthy, Jesus of Nazareth resounded God's name with His own tongue, to mind, body, soul, and spirit. Look at the chaos He was surrounded by...haha...seems someone found the truth! Wink
Thankyou disciple, I enjoyed reading this post (brother). I think God's structure is a more human design, I can't imagine God with a stucture, and having an unchanging set of rules. This is based on my view of science - if God had a definite system then he could be predicted. If constantly predicatable He would have to be added to physics as a principle. I suppose I've misinterpreted you here - in another way, I don't think God is a constantly changing state, or force - in this way I agree.
(April 7, 2010 at 10:48 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: @ the OP

Sounds to me like you've let your emotions rule you instead of using your head TruthWorthy, no offence. So you believe in God now and not just that - Catholism (back to that again eh? Sheesh) - and what evidence have you actually come across? None? Just felt emotions and given into them... you crave religion, is that it? Or am I missing something here? (something that is actually true that is).

EvF
I'm a little bit thrown here EvF. Firstly, my emotions could already be in my head, along with my thoughts (where by the way, thoughts actually stem from).
Yes, I've taken up Catholicism; no, I don't claim it as the one true path to God that is the sole and only way to God. I say that all views are valid - this one is valid to me.
You want to see my evidence? I like you EvF, you're always alluding to the truth in what can be seen, heard, etc. You can't have any, we all know that. Also, as a consequence of all the times you play on the evidence as an argument against faith; I have a suggested name change for you: "Experience vs. Faith"; at the end of every arguement on faith comes the on based on experience (apparently). Unfortunately, the only way I can share my experience with you is through language, I can literally present it as a concrete object for you.
(April 7, 2010 at 3:39 pm)Darwinian Wrote: This is your final warning.

This is a DISCUSSION forum and NOT a place for you to post your poems or to preach at us. Especially as you have only been here 5 minutes and you've already been warned about preaching.

If you can't enter into proper and meaningful discussions with other members then you will simply be banned. Something I would rather not have to do.
I really thought this site was opposed to censorship in any form at all . . .
(April 9, 2010 at 1:55 pm)chatpilot Wrote: The very title of this thread betrays it, since there are in my opinion no ultimate revelations of god whatsoever. So far all we've heard are revelations based on emotions and reinterpretations of how Christians see god everywhere around them and are in awe of his magnificence.
I don't think I'm preeching here at all, just answering questions about my beliefs. I don't intend on changing anyone's opinion, I just thought sharing it would be a healthy and appropriate gesture to AF members.
I've been here a while and had a lot to say while I've been here (not always good). However, I'm glad to be among you all, and welcome any questions/opinions/etc.
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#24
RE: Ultimate revelations of God.
(March 27, 2010 at 7:37 pm)TruthWorthy Wrote:
(March 26, 2010 at 6:15 pm)tavarish Wrote:
(March 26, 2010 at 5:59 pm)TruthWorthy Wrote: Experience is a real occurence regardless of what that stimuli is.

I believe that I have an experience with invisible dragons. The experience by all that I can distinguish, is real. Does that makes dragons real?
The truth of it would be on you to prove, if you were motivated to convince others of their objective existence. It could also be that dragons was the best way for God to reach you, or it could also be attributed to something sinister, or even mental illness.

Perhaps the dragons see God as the best way to talk to christians, did you ever think about that? Or are you too indoctrinated?
"God is dead" - Friedrich Nietzsche

"Faith is what you have in things that DON'T exist. - Homer J. Simpson
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#25
RE: Ultimate revelations of God.
My appologies here, but doesn't the phraze "God is dead" indicate that He was once alive?
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#26
RE: Ultimate revelations of God.
I appreciate your comments TW and I enjoy reading your posts thanks for sharing. Also, you are right the phrase "god is dead' does imply that he was alive once Lol. I on the other hand never use that phrase since I feel that god is just a figment of the imagination of man.
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#27
RE: Ultimate revelations of God.
(April 10, 2010 at 5:28 am)TruthWorthy Wrote: My appologies here, but doesn't the phraze "God is dead" indicate that He was once alive?

The phrase "God is dead" was used by Nietzsche in his book 'Thus Spoke Zarathustra'. It refers not to the literal sense of an actual divine being dying but is actually a reference to the once revered deity no longer acting a source of wisdom. It is basically saying 'move on' from religion.

As you may have been able to tell...Nietzsche was an atheist.
"God is dead" - Friedrich Nietzsche

"Faith is what you have in things that DON'T exist. - Homer J. Simpson
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#28
RE: Ultimate revelations of God.
ShinyLight: Thanks for bettering that insight for me, it still seems inaccurate to me.

ChatPilot: Even if God were solely a figment of someone's imagination, isn't that subjective reality still that person's reality? And if so, doesn't that make that as real as anything else that could be agreed upon.
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RE: Ultimate revelations of God.
(April 10, 2010 at 7:14 pm)TruthWorthy Wrote: ChatPilot: Even if God were solely a figment of someone's imagination, isn't that subjective reality still that person's reality? And if so, doesn't that make that as real as anything else that could be agreed upon.

No - it isn't. Reality is what is after you've closed and opened your eyes, trying to wish things away. How you want to perceive things is also limited in it's subjectivity, as when you injure yourself, the pain you get is your body telling you how things are, not what you'd choose to see.

Reality intrudes.
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#30
RE: Ultimate revelations of God.
TruthWorthy Wrote: " ChatPilot: Even if God were solely a figment of someone's imagination, isn't that subjective reality still that person's reality? And if so, doesn't that make that as real as anything else that could be agreed upon."

In my opinion reality is exactly like objectivity it is true whether you believe it or not. Here is a good definition of objectivity that is relative to this post from wikipedia.

'While there is no universally accepted articulation of objectivity, a proposition is generally considered to be objectively true when its truth conditions are "mind-independent"—that is, not the result of any judgments made by a conscious entity. '
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