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God as a non-empirical being
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RE: God as a non-empirical being
April 18, 2015 at 2:48 am
"It's nice of you to admit that your god is not involved with reality."

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RE: God as a non-empirical being
April 18, 2015 at 3:21 am
(April 18, 2015 at 2:43 am)Pizza Wrote: Another question: How strong an analogy is there between god's mind and a human mind? 
Theists assume so much about what a god's mind would be like without challenge.

Well, if I try and imagine what "God's mind" could be like, I think of a massive chalkboard containing every single event that comprises the "history of the Universe" sprawled out in evolving and increasingly complex mathematical equations that start and end in some definite first principle, or a function like Ψ. Shit, maybe Ψ is God's mind!
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RE: God as a non-empirical being
April 18, 2015 at 4:46 am
Maybe god is mathematical equations? Shock
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RE: God as a non-empirical being
April 18, 2015 at 4:47 am (This post was last modified: April 18, 2015 at 4:50 am by robvalue.)
What rules everything? Logic. God is logic.

So mathematical equations would be one of the children of God.

That makes me chainsaw of God... I can handle that.
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RE: God as a non-empirical being
April 18, 2015 at 4:49 am (This post was last modified: April 18, 2015 at 4:49 am by Pizza.)
God is the form of the All! Shock
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RE: God as a non-empirical being
April 18, 2015 at 5:01 am
If the category that he's putting God into is "imaginary things" then the argument holds.
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RE: God as a non-empirical being
April 18, 2015 at 6:52 am (This post was last modified: April 18, 2015 at 6:52 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Nope...our imaginary experiences are just that...experience.  Fraid that god isn;t even imaginary, in that conception, it's a linguistic and mechanical non-entity. Null.
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RE: God as a non-empirical being
April 18, 2015 at 9:18 am
But I want to be god's chainsaw!
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RE: God as a non-empirical being
April 18, 2015 at 9:38 am
(April 18, 2015 at 9:18 am)robvalue Wrote: But I want to be god's chainsaw!

Talk do your dog more often, and then LISTEN.  Eventually, all sincere prayers are granted.
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RE: God as a non-empirical being
April 18, 2015 at 10:10 am
(April 17, 2015 at 6:50 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Well, the theist traps himself if he claims God is non-empirical, because he can then no longer make any claims to his nature, nor can he appeal to any sort of reason to believe in him beyond pure faith.

You see, saying God is non-empirical is just a way to avoid presenting proof, because while they're telling you he's non-empirical out of one corner of their mouth, they're telling you that they he watches you masturbate out of the other.

^This ^

Once you claim that a thing is non-empirical, then you must cease to make empirical claims about it.  That god performed a miracle, spoke to someone, made a prophesy, sends people to heaven or hell, came to earth in human form, etc., are all empirical claims.   Simply put, a non-empirical god might satisfy deists, but no one else.
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