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Fallacies in an "Answered Prayer" explanation?
#31
RE: Fallacies in an "Answered Prayer" explanation?
You only proved that you didn't understand, but that doesn't surprise me. You are still a slave to sin and your reasoning is thus tilted toward falsity. In that condition, people convince themselves that evil is good and good is evil. I'm not talking about a "run of the mill dice roll". I'm talking about loading the dice. For example, if someone throws one 6-sided die, it doesn't come up 7 because that potential was not in the system. If the potential isn't there it cannot be actualized. But the die can be weighted so that it always falls on 6. In the case of the amputee, no potential for such extreme regeneration exists in humans, therefore it cannot be actualized. In contrast to this, moving cancer into remission, even in very late, can respond to the manipulation of chance in favor of a positive outcome because that could potentially happen. What can potentially happen, God can make happen, except for moving the human heart. That's up to you.
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#32
RE: Fallacies in an "Answered Prayer" explanation?
(April 26, 2015 at 12:03 am)ChadWooters Wrote: What can potentially happen, God can make happen

That would be limiting the omnipotence of god, would it not be?
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#33
RE: Fallacies in an "Answered Prayer" explanation?
(April 26, 2015 at 12:03 am)ChadWooters Wrote: You only proved that you didn't understand, but that doesn't surprise me. You are still a slave to sin and your reasoning is thus tilted toward falsity.

You can either preach or present an argument, but the former won't cut it as an attempt at the latter, and ends up making you look like a holier-than-thou prick. I'd say that was your choice, but it's pretty obvious you made it long ago.

Quote:In that condition, people convince themselves that evil is good and good is evil. I'm not talking about a "run of the mill dice roll". I'm talking about loading the dice. For example, if someone throws one 6-sided die, it doesn't come up 7 because that potential was not in the system. If the potential isn't there it cannot be actualized. But the die can be weighted so that it always falls on 6. In the case of the amputee, no potential for such extreme regeneration exists in humans, therefore it cannot be actualized. In contrast to this, moving cancer into remission, even in very late, can respond to the manipulation of chance in favor of a positive outcome because that could potentially happen. What can potentially happen, God can make happen, except for moving the human heart. That's up to you.

... Okay, let me break it down for you, because apparently you're committed to just not getting it.

So it's a loaded dice, fine. But it's a loaded dice that we cannot examine, as the event only happens once, being loaded by a being we have no reason to think exists and leaves no evidence that he was involved in loading the dice, and will only ever produce results consistent with the dice not being loaded at all. That being the case, how does an outside observer distinguish this loaded dice from a plain old dice roll?

Your response indicates that you don't understand this at all, but what I was talking about is how one goes about distinguishing between a miraculous event happening and a natural one happening, given your stipulations, not the nature of your miraculous events themselves. You've specifically claimed that miracles can only achieve effects that could happen naturally, so... how do you tell the difference between the former and the natural? If you can't, in some verifiable way, then miracles are... indistinguishable from chance. Which is what I've been saying from the beginning.
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#34
RE: Fallacies in an "Answered Prayer" explanation?
Poor old God. He has to keep making it look like he doesn't exist so he doesn't accidentally provide some evidence.

He's certainly not omni anything if he can't even grow someone's arm back. But of course, he can do that, he just won't because we're all such dirty stinking worthless sinning pieces of crap and he'd rather laugh at us. Thanks god, you arse magnet.
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