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RE: proofs of existence of God,
December 23, 2008 at 5:49 am
mostly tl;dr, but got the gist of it.
It seems your "proof" is the Qu'uran. I will summarise your argument:
I know the Qu'uran is right because it the word of Allah. I know it is the word of Allah because the Qu'uran says so. I know it is right when it states this because the Qu'uran is the word of Allah. I know it is the word of Allah.....
See the circular logic?
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RE: proofs of existence of God,
December 23, 2008 at 7:20 am
(December 21, 2008 at 9:52 am)leo-rcc Wrote: Allow me to blatantly spam in return: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/...-Islam.htm Interesting site!
I've long felt that it was utter b******** to refer to Islam as "the religion of peace" (though to "balance" that I feel much the same about Christianity) and I genuinely don't know if this site is as objective as it purports to be, I suspect there may be a slight US right-wing bias (not sure). Nevertheless it is interesting to hear a POV that doesn't appear to be promoting hatred but doesn't buy into the politically correct view that Islam is peaceful. More interestingly, this kind of site would be banned if what I understand is being proposed by the UN is adopted by countries around the world.
The list of Islamic terror events is simply staggering.
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RE: proofs of existence of God,
December 23, 2008 at 8:22 am
(December 23, 2008 at 7:20 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: (December 21, 2008 at 9:52 am)leo-rcc Wrote: Allow me to blatantly spam in return: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/...-Islam.htm Interesting site!
I've long felt that it was utter b******** to refer to Islam as "the religion of peace" (though to "balance" that I feel much the same about Christianity) and I genuinely don't know if this site is as objective as it purports to be, I suspect there may be a slight US right-wing bias (not sure).
Well that is the point really. Everyone can cherry-pick good and bad things out of every scripture and interpret it the way it suits either the proponents or the debunkers.
Bias or not, so far every but of scripture they came up with in their refutations is indeed as it is written in the Hadith and Quran. The fact we can discuss its interpretation already suggests that these texts are far from divine inspiration. The same is true for the Bible and the Torah.
(December 23, 2008 at 7:20 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: Nevertheless it is interesting to hear a POV that doesn't appear to be promoting hatred but doesn't buy into the politically correct view that Islam is peaceful. More interestingly, this kind of site would be banned if what I understand is being proposed by the UN is adopted by countries around the world.
The list of Islamic terror events is simply staggering.
I am sorry to say I have to agree with you. Islam has the best of three worlds. It's a religion when it wants it to be, it's a lifestyle when it wants it to be, and its a race when it wants it to be. And it is protected under all three guises.
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RE: proofs of existence of God,
December 23, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Verset 31
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Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers with clear proofs, evidence, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits (e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by Allâh by committing the major sins) in the land!)
Allah says what means  unquote)
In other words Muhammad came to the Children of Israel and said that he has clear proofs and evidence of their misdeeds.
The contemporaries of Muhammad where some jewish tribes living near Mecca known as the "Al Khoreishi".
Muhammad apparently learnt from them about the Old testament and imposed at the beginning of his new religion on his followers to make their prayers facing the direction of Jerusalem.But afterwards they quarelled about certain issues and the Jews rejected him.
The first battle he won was against the 'Al Khoreishi" which he managed to destroy.
The quoted verset as well as others alike in the Qur'an express his hatred against the Jews which inspires up today the position of Ahmedinajad,Hamas,Hizbullah,Al Qaida and other peacefull and enlighted
islamic groups.
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RE: proofs of existence of God,
December 23, 2008 at 5:32 pm
(December 23, 2008 at 2:00 pm)josef rosenkranz Wrote: The quoted verset as well as others alike in the Qur'an express his hatred against the Jews which inspires up today the position of Ahmedinajad,Hamas,Hizbullah,Al Qaida and other peacefull and enlighted
islamic groups.
Al Qaeda, Hezbollah peaceful?
I hope you're a troll and really not that ignorant....
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RE: proofs of existence of God,
December 23, 2008 at 6:20 pm
(December 23, 2008 at 5:32 pm)lilphil1989 Wrote: (December 23, 2008 at 2:00 pm)josef rosenkranz Wrote: The quoted verset as well as others alike in the Qur'an express his hatred against the Jews which inspires up today the position of Ahmedinajad,Hamas,Hizbullah,Al Qaida and other peacefull and enlighted
islamic groups.
Al Qaeda, Hezbollah peaceful?
I hope you're a troll and really not that ignorant....
You are reading this totally out of context.
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RE: proofs of existence of God,
December 23, 2008 at 6:31 pm
(December 23, 2008 at 6:20 pm)leo-rcc Wrote: (December 23, 2008 at 5:32 pm)lilphil1989 Wrote: (December 23, 2008 at 2:00 pm)josef rosenkranz Wrote: The quoted verset as well as others alike in the Qur'an express his hatred against the Jews which inspires up today the position of Ahmedinajad,Hamas,Hizbullah,Al Qaida and other peacefull and enlighted
islamic groups.
Al Qaeda, Hezbollah peaceful?
I hope you're a troll and really not that ignorant....
You are reading this totally out of context.
In any context, this seems a ridiculous statement
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RE: proofs of existence of God,
December 23, 2008 at 6:32 pm
(December 23, 2008 at 6:31 pm)lilphil1989 Wrote: (December 23, 2008 at 6:20 pm)leo-rcc Wrote: (December 23, 2008 at 5:32 pm)lilphil1989 Wrote: (December 23, 2008 at 2:00 pm)josef rosenkranz Wrote: The quoted verset as well as others alike in the Qur'an express his hatred against the Jews which inspires up today the position of Ahmedinajad,Hamas,Hizbullah,Al Qaida and other peacefull and enlighted
islamic groups.
Al Qaeda, Hezbollah peaceful?
I hope you're a troll and really not that ignorant....
You are reading this totally out of context.
In any context, this seems a ridiculous statement
Have you even read the rest of his posting?
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RE: proofs of existence of God,
December 23, 2008 at 7:02 pm
(December 23, 2008 at 6:32 pm)leo-rcc Wrote: Have you even read the rest of his posting?
Had I not, I wouldn't have replied.
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RE: proofs of existence of God,
December 23, 2008 at 7:19 pm
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Then I fail to see how you could miss the context in which the last line is written.
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