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God exists^^
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God exists^^
our bodies are pathetic compared to those of SOME animals, BUT having INTELLIGENCE we can supply our "PATHETIC" bodies.
now if you tell that other creations are intelligent, is there such creation higher than human?
then, if there is, why do we call are self human different to animals? we are likely much to be called as apes not humans.
anyways, humans are unique creation with a higher IQ rather than other animals. yes some say we came from the FAMILY of apes. i would like to emphasize that we only came to the "FAMILY", not all apes evolved as much as humans do.

if there are other life in other planet and find that they are much intelligent than humans.
i would like to answer these in a form of question
did science find one?
you don't believe in God because you believe that God didn't exist
but now you are believing in a form of life that no such evidence of existence exist.

maybe, there are life in other planets, but NOT as INTELLIGENT as HUMANS i believe. because water exist in other planets, we can "ASSUME" (only assuming) that their is life. if they are far more intelligent than us, then so they are more HI-Tech than we do. Earth is the planet in which life is prominent, why don't they conquer the earth IF they are MORE INTELLIGENT than us OR much HI-TECH than we do.

if all the people here on earth will think as the atheist do (God do not exist) then, someone or EVERYONE may want to get to the HIGHEST position here on EARTH and that is to be a God--a living God, if that occur, tragic war may happen, survival of the fittest and only one person may live, and that person will declare that he is god, but will die because there will be no reproduction.

what i am trying to say is that God give peace here on earth. you believe in scientific things which are proved existing,
but, how is that science can't understand how this exist were in fact it is impossible to happen?
a very good example is that,
a 10 day dead child, goes back to life? i am a witness to that? can you explain?
then if you can't explain or believe things that can be seen or experience but according to science are impossible to happen, are you not a hypocrite then?
which "SOME" atheist say "to see is to believe" "evidence to believe" then i say i am an evidence to that, then you still don't believe. are you not hypocrite then?

^^ sorry for wrong grammar im not that good in english.., xD
this is my answer on one of the threads but it made me think of making this as a thread
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RE: God exists^^
(April 8, 2010 at 3:24 am)aufis Wrote: our bodies are pathetic compared to those of SOME animals, BUT having INTELLIGENCE we can supply our "PATHETIC" bodies.
now if you tell that other creations are intelligent, is there such creation higher than human?

"Higher" is a subjective term. Higher then what?

Quote:then, if there is, why do we call are self human different to animals?

We name all animals to distinguish them why wouldn't we call the animal species we are a part of "human"?

Quote:anyways, humans are unique creation with a higher IQ rather than other animals. yes some say we came from the FAMILY of apes. i would like to emphasize that we only came to the "FAMILY", not all apes evolved as much as humans do.

Actually all animals have evolved equally. There is no "more evolved", just evolved.

Quote:if there are other life in other planet and find that they are much intelligent than humans.
i would like to answer these in a form of question
did science find one?

No. Is that a definitive conclusion that is doesn't exist? Science has not found any evidence of a god or gods either, but scientists never claim gods therefore don't exist. I just find the likelihood of the existence of such a being very low.

Quote:you don't believe in God because you believe that God didn't exist
but now you are believing in a form of life that no such evidence of existence exist.

The likelihood of alien lifeforms is very high, it's a probability issue, not a belief issue. It may well be that there are no aliens at all, but given the size of the universe and the multitude of planets that have similar conditions to ours there is a good chance there are.

Quote:maybe, there are life in other planets, but NOT as INTELLIGENT as HUMANS i believe.

Could be, in fact I find that very likely, so what?

Quote:because water exist in other planets, we can "ASSUME" (only assuming) that their is life. if they are far more intelligent than us, then so they are more HI-Tech than we do. Earth is the planet in which life is prominent, why don't they conquer the earth IF they are MORE INTELLIGENT than us OR much HI-TECH than we do.

Distance would be one. No matter how much technology these hypothetical aliens might have they will run into the same laws of physics as we do.

But what does any of this have to do with the existence of gods?

Quote:if all the people here on earth will think as the atheist do (God do not exist) then, someone or EVERYONE may want to get to the HIGHEST position here on EARTH and that is to be a God--a living God, if that occur, tragic war may happen, survival of the fittest and only one person may live, and that person will declare that he is god, but will die because there will be no reproduction.

This line of reasoning does not follow. How do you get from "thinking as atheists do" (whatever that is) to "get to the highest position" (again that subjective term) to reproduction issues?

Quote:what i am trying to say is that God give peace here on earth.

I'd like to see some evidence of that. In fact when I look at the news that is most definitely not the case.

Quote: you believe in scientific things which are proved existing

No I don't.

Quote:but, how is that science can't understand how this exist were in fact it is impossible to happen?

What is the "this" in your sentence you are referring to?

Quote:a very good example is that,
a 10 day dead child, goes back to life? i am a witness to that? can you explain?

That's not how this works. Do you have third party confirmation by a medical staff that the child was indeed dead? Can you supply the evidence that this actually happened? Why was the child not cremated or buried within these 10 days? Your witnessing this may be valid evidence for you, but there is nothing there to make me assume that what you are saying is accurate or ever even took place as you describe it. You make the claim this happened, you need to produce sufficient evidence to that claim.

Quote:then if you can't explain or believe things that can be seen or experience but according to science are impossible to happen, are you not a hypocrite then?

Again this does not follow, what exactly are you talking about? Just because there are things that cannot be explained or have not been explained in scientific terms does not mean that we just have to jump to a supernatural conclusion.

Quote:which "SOME" atheist say "to see is to believe"

That would be a very silly thing to do as eyes can be easily fooled, magicians make their fortunes with make believe.

Quote:"evidence to believe" then i say i am an evidence to that, then you still don't believe. are you not hypocrite then?

But you have supplied no evidence at all, how could I possibly believe anything you say based on what you just told me? That doesn't make me a hypocrite, just skeptical of your claims. You make the claim, it is up to you to prove it.
Best regards,
Leo van Miert
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even th0ugh there are many planets in d universe,↲Still n0 alien life was pr0ved.↲↲Evidence? Then your telling me you don't believe 0n scientific things. Asking for an evidence is a scientific thing,↲facts make things specific.↲↲Even though i d0n't show evidences, its just logic.↲↲Yes humans then why we are named human? Can you define human?↲↲evolution, yes there is no so called 'more evolved(wr0ng percepti0n xp) but stil we are the 0nly living things who have such greater intellgent.↲↲God exists and the evidence is us. We are made in the image and likenes of God.↲↲See you don't believe on that 10 day dead child who c0me back to life. I am a living testimony to that, in which i am the 0ne who open the -(i forgot the term in english, but it is where u put a dead b0dy, d traditi0nal burial, n0t d cremated 1)↲↲God give peace, maybe it wil be n0T you who desire the power to rule the world
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RE: God exists^^
Seriously, what is up with your posts?
Best regards,
Leo van Miert
Horsepower is how hard you hit the wall --Torque is how far you take the wall with you
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we are the proof of God's existence,↲↲Actually its an answer from an0ther thread but i want it to be a new thread.↲↲Ü↲i know your not satisfied with my answers.↲Coz im just a newbie here with0ut reputation? Gve me time and maybe i can have the evidences you want,ö
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(April 8, 2010 at 5:52 am)aufis Wrote: even th0ugh there are many planets in d universe, Still n0 alien life was pr0ved.

I never said there was. I stated that the probability is high. There is a big difference.

Quote:Then your telling me you don't believe 0n scientific things.

Correct, I accept scientific findings as the most plausible explanation to our current understanding. This is subject to change should a new theory hold better evidence.

Quote:Asking for an evidence is a scientific thing, facts make things specific.

Yes,
Quote:Even though i d0n't show evidences, its just logic.

But logic does not make your claim for gods any more realistic.

Quote:Yes humans then why we are named human? Can you define human?

Sure: Humans commonly refers to the species Homo sapiens (Latin: "wise man" or "knowing man"), the only extant member of the Homo genus of bipedal primates in Hominidae, the great ape family. However, in some cases the term is used to refer to any member of the genus Homo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human

From the etymology dictionary:

Human
mid-13c., from M.Fr. humain "of or belonging to man," from L. humanus, probably related to homo (gen. hominis) "man," and to humus "earth," on notion of "earthly beings," as opposed to the gods (cf. Heb. adam "man," from adamah "ground"). Cognate with O.Lith. zmuo (acc. zmuni) "man, male person." Displaced its O.E. cognate guma (from P.Gmc. *guman-) which survives only in disguise in bridegroom. Related: Humanness.

Quote:evolution, yes there is no so called 'more evolved( wr0ng percepti0n xp) but stil we are the 0nly living things who have such greater intellgent.

And because you are a human, you place a subjective higher value on that trait. Other animals did not have the need for a higher intellect so they didn't evolve in that direction. Instead they evolved with different traits like running faster, or jump higher, or gain nutrition from plants us humans could not gain nutrition from.

Quote:God exists and the evidence is us.

How is "us" evidence for your god?

Quote:We are made in the image and likenes of God.

Evidence for that?

Quote:See you don't believe on that 10 day dead child who c0me back to life. I am a living testimony to that,

But I have no way of verifying that, so until you do I cannot decide either way. Why would I have to accept this claim you make on just your say so?

Quote:God give peace, maybe it wil be n0T you who desire the power to rule the world

Again a claim that is not substantiated in any way. What god? How is your god defined? What are the charactaristics of this god? why do you believe this god is real? Why would I have to take your word for it this god is real?
Best regards,
Leo van Miert
Horsepower is how hard you hit the wall --Torque is how far you take the wall with you
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you have defined human in a scientific manner↲↲Human is a living thing who knows how to appreciate, learn, love, and kill. A unique form in this world that can control or command animals. A living thing who need some0ne higher and the same level as human.↲ ↲I am n0t subjectv because i am a human, have you seen other animal taking care humans? Or animals being take care of humans? My main point is that humans are not animals. Before, you can tell that , but they evolve in such a way we pass the limits of being animal.↲↲Even though i gave evidences still you wouldn't believe becoz my evidence is the bible
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(April 8, 2010 at 6:22 am)aufis Wrote: you have defined human in a scientific manner

How else would I define (which is what you asked) Human?

Quote:Human is a living thing who knows how to appreciate, learn, love, and kill. A unique form in this world that can control or command animals.

Actually there are other animals on this planet that can control other animals.

Quote:A living thing who need some0ne higher and the same level as human.
Again, that is just a subjective opinion not backed up by any evidence.

Quote:I am n0t subjectv because i am a human, have you seen other animal taking care humans?

Because some animal displays a unique trait that does not make it not part of the same animal kingdom.

Quote:Or animals being take care of humans?

Have you seen animals take care of other animals? I have.

Quote:My main point is that humans are not animals.

Then your main point is wrong.

We are animals, and no amount of intellect or objections you might have will disprove that. Our biology is the same as other animals, even our brain functions are the same as other animals, we as a species just have them wired in such a way we can make things an do things other animals can't. That is not evidence that we are not animals, just evidence we are another species of animal.


Quote:Before, you can tell that , but they evolve in such a way we pass the limits of being animal.

What are the limits of being an animal then?

Quote:Even though i gave evidences still you wouldn't believe becoz my evidence is the bible

And what makes the bible valid evidence?
Best regards,
Leo van Miert
Horsepower is how hard you hit the wall --Torque is how far you take the wall with you
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Quote:have you seen other animal taking care humans?

Search for "Monkey babysitter" on youtube.
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If your going to claim that the Bible is valid evidence then I raise you the Odyssey and the Iliad and claim that these are also evidence. After all, if it hadn't been for these and other works of mythology then the Bible would either not exist or be a very different book indeed.
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