Epicurus riddle.

[tavarish]

Natural disasters are not evil in themselves.

They are if you believe an omnipotent being is in control of everything. Someone that kills one person is evil, evidenced by the Ten Commandments. An entity in control of a force that kills hundreds of thousands, by that same merit, is evil, if not exponentially so.

Death occurs due to our sin, it's a punishment because we all sin.

So babies do what exactly to warrant this death due to sin? Ones who die at birth or in the third trimester are guilty of what?

God has a hope that I will do the right thing, if you want to call that a plan.

So an omniscient being that KNOWS what you will do needs to hope for something? Hope stems from uncertainty. If you KNOW that something will happen, why hope for an outcome? If you know it and you are infallible (as is the nature of God), then nothing you (as a person) can do will change that.

God allows it to rain on the righteous and the unrighteous conversely he also allows the sun to shine on the righteous and unrighteous.

Basically saying this God lets evil happen. Which validates the initial premise. He is able, but not willing.

[The Piper]

The physical death of a baby becomes irrelevant against the scope of eternity. God created the life, God has taken it away.

True, God does know the outcome of my life before I am even born. God still has feelings, he is not an emotionless entity. He strongly desires(hopes) that I do the right thing. He still desires it, even if he already knows the outcome.

God only allows evil for a certain ammount of time. When Christ returns there will be a new Heaven and a new Earth. There will be no more sin.

[tavarish]

The physical death of a baby becomes irrelevant against the scope of eternity. God created the life, God has taken it away.

What does that even mean? If you're trying to make a point that God is benevolent and cares about humans, what ill has an unborn baby done to warrant death from sin, as per your assertion?

True, God does know the outcome of my life before I am even born. God still has feelings, he is not an emotionless entity. He strongly desires(hopes) that I do the right thing. He still desires it, even if he already knows the outcome.

God desires things that he already knows will not occur. I know Mary's going to murder Bob in a week, but I hope she doesn't, even though I'm never wrong.

Is this how God works?

Does that make any sense to you?

God only allows evil for a certain ammount of time. When Christ returns there will be a new Heaven and a new Earth. There will be no more sin.

So the statement stands. God is unwilling to abolish evil, then why call him omni-benevolent?

And the Book of Revelation says that one day, God will get so angry with the products of his own creation that he'll kill all of us and send us to our respective playpens in the sky/ground. This God sounds like a teenage girl with a temper tantrum. Someone who screams "fuck it" and trashes the place, while abolishing all responsibility - stemming from a wanton need for attention.

[The Piper]

This will go in circles for quite some time, we need to get back to the topic at hand. By all means, start a new thread with these questions about God if you are truly interested in the answers.

[tavarish]

This will go in circles for quite some time, we need to get back to the topic at hand. By all means, start a new thread with these questions about God if you are truly interested in the answers.

My statements are directly relevant to the topic at hand. They're a direct response to your statements as well.

[The Piper]

This will go in circles for quite some time, we need to get back to the topic at hand. By all means, start a new thread with these questions about God if you are truly interested in the answers.

My statements are directly relevant to the topic at hand. They're a direct response to your statements as well.

How are they relevant to the topic at hand?

I am prepared to answer them if you are truly interested. If so, make a thread.

[Minimalist]

God allows it to rain on the righteous and the unrighteous conversely he also allows the sun to shine on the righteous and unrighteous.

We do not need your god for that. All we need is a rain cloud and science has already explained how those develop.

[chatpilot]

Piper your God is pathetic just like you with your irrational reasoning that it is okay to kill babies to fulfill his will.

[Violet]

Natural disasters are not evil in themselves.

Good and evil are subjective attributions made by us regarding things we perceive. Nothing is inherently good or evil.

Death occurs due to our sin, it's a punishment because we all sin.

Death is a punishment now... and one for sin no less? Death is as literal a definition of peace as one can ever find... hardly a punishment, unless one is assuming that they will be a slave to God in heaven, or a slave to their freedom (or torture, depending on how you interpret this ) in hell.

Death occurs because life isn't limitless... that is all. The least "sinful" of men are as easy to kill as sinful baby rapists. Why would death occur due to sin, and not to the limited nature of life? I definitely would not want to live forever... a long time yes... but the end of a story is one of its most important and 'wonderful' parts.

God has a hope that I will do the right thing, if you want to call that a plan.

Are you suggesting that he is not omniscient (doesn't already know how you will turn out), not omnipotent (cannot change how you will turn out however he wants to), and/or not omnibenevolent (actually cares about your pathetic little existence... and the existence of all of the things you have ever eaten)?

If all "God" does is hope... why call 'Him' 'God' at all?

God allows it to rain on the righteous and the unrighteous conversely he also allows the sun to shine on the righteous and unrighteous.

Why should that matter at all? What is 'righteousness' in the first place?

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True, God does know the outcome of my life before I am even born. God still has feelings, he is not an emotionless entity. He strongly desires(hopes) that I do the right thing. He still desires it, even if he already knows the outcome.

hope |hōp|
noun
1 a feeling of expectation and desire for a certain thing to happen

God cannot hope for us not to do things he knows we cannot do.

[chatpilot]

I hope God is not real I would much rather have Hitler rule the world than that sadistic bastard portrayed in the bible.