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The nature of governments
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The nature of governments
To be GOVERNED is to be watched, inspected, spied upon, directed, law-driven, numbered, regulated, enrolled, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, checked, estimated, valued, censured, commanded, by creatures who have neither the right nor the wisdom nor the virtue to do so. To be GOVERNED is to be at every operation, at every transaction noted, registered, counted, taxed, stamped, measured, numbered, assessed, licensed, authorized, admonished, prevented, forbidden, reformed, corrected, punished. It is, under pretext of public utility, and in the name of the general interest, to be place[d] under contribution, drilled, fleeced, exploited, monopolized, extorted from, squeezed, hoaxed, robbed; then, at the slightest resistance, the first word of complaint, to be repressed, fined, vilified, harassed, hunted down, abused, clubbed, disarmed, bound, choked, imprisoned, judged, condemned, shot, deported, sacrificed, sold, betrayed; and to crown all, mocked, ridiculed, derided, outraged, dishonored. That is government; that is its justice; that is its morality. P. Joseph Proudhon, The Nature of Government, from The General Idea of Revolution.
 
Pierre J. Proudhon was the first socialist philosopher to invoke the term "anarchism" in describing his political philosophy. Here's another quote from Proudhon:
 
"Capital"... in the political field is analogous to "government"... The economic idea of capitalism, the politics of government or of authority, and the theological idea of the Church are three identical ideas, linked in various ways. To attack one of them is equivalent to attacking all of them . . . What capital does to labour, and the State to liberty, the Church does to the spirit. This trinity of absolutism is as baneful in practice as it is in philosophy. The most effective means for oppressing the people would be simultaneously to enslave its body, its will and its reason. P. Joseph Proudhon, Les confessions d'un révolutionnaire, A Short Story of Anarchism.
 
And finally, a quote from another esteemed anarchist philosopher, Rudolf Rocker:
 
Political rights do not originate in parliaments; they are, rather, forced upon parliaments from without. And even their enactment into law has for a long time been no guarantee of their security. Just as the employers always try to nullify every concession they had made to labor as soon as opportunity offered, as soon as any signs of weakness were observable in the workers' organizations, so governments also are always inclined to restrict or to abrogate completely rights and freedoms that have been achieved if they imagine that the people will put up no resistance. Even in those countries where such things as freedom of the press, right of assembly, right of combination, and the like have long existed, governments are constantly trying to restrict those rights or to reinterpret them by juridical hair-splitting. Political rights do not exist because they have been legally set down on a piece of paper, but only when they have become the ingrown habit of a people, and when any attempt to impair them will meet with the violent resistance of the populace. Where this is not the case, there is no help in any parliamentary Opposition or any Platonic appeals to the constitution. Rudolf Rocker, Anarcho-Syndicalism: Theory & Practice, 1947.
 
Thoughts?
 
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RE: The nature of governments
Your thoughts?
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RE: The nature of governments
yeah, that describes my wife..............on a good day.
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear.
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RE: The nature of governments
(June 11, 2015 at 7:57 am)francismjenkins Wrote: To be GOVERNED is to be watched, inspected, spied upon,

Spies?! Where?!
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RE: The nature of governments
(June 11, 2015 at 7:57 am)francismjenkins Wrote:


Thoughts?
 

Depends on the system of government and the political involvement & activism of those under its administration. In the UK (and other European countries), we're seeing popular opinion start to swing away from party politics towards a 'vote for the best individual for a job'. Although it will be many decades before we see the impact of this swing on democratic reform, it's likely to start addressing some of the accusations thrown at current governmental models.
Sum ergo sum
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RE: The nature of governments
(June 11, 2015 at 8:28 am)Neimenovic Wrote:
(June 11, 2015 at 7:57 am)francismjenkins Wrote: To be GOVERNED is to be watched, inspected, spied upon,

Spies?! Where?!

Watch any news lately? I wouldn't think that this statement is all that controversial.
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RE: The nature of governments
(June 11, 2015 at 8:10 am)Aoi Magi Wrote: Your thoughts?

I largely agree with Proudhon and Rocker.
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RE: The nature of governments
(June 11, 2015 at 8:40 am)Ben Davis Wrote: Depends on the system of government and the political involvement & activism of those under its administration. In the UK (and other European countries), we're seeing popular opinion start to swing away from party politics towards a 'vote for the best individual for a job'. Although it will be many decades before we see the impact of this swing on democratic reform, it's likely to start addressing some of the accusations thrown at current governmental models.

IMO the insights of Rocker and Proudhon apply to all nation states, no matter how enlightened or pliable they may appear to be.
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