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Why don't Jews believe in Hell?
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RE: Why don't Jews believe in Hell?
(April 17, 2010 at 2:27 pm)Welsh cake Wrote: Karma? Reincarnation? Gilligan these aren't even Christian beliefs i.e. the resurrection, they're Hindu, Jain, Sikh and Buddhist ideals. As an atheist I have to ask you honestly: What do you believe?

He believes what his Mother tells him to..
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RE: Why don't Jews believe in Hell?
(April 17, 2010 at 2:39 pm)Darwinian Wrote:
(April 17, 2010 at 2:27 pm)Welsh cake Wrote: Karma? Reincarnation? Gilligan these aren't even Christian beliefs i.e. the resurrection, they're Hindu, Jain, Sikh and Buddhist ideals. As an atheist I have to ask you honestly: What do you believe?

He believes what his Mother tells him to..

They do appear to have invented a new branch of christianity dont they.

Or is this view widespread?



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RE: Why don't Jews believe in Hell?
Quote:Only the righteous will have immortal souls. Eternal life is a gift from God. Those who refuse will have eternal death.


An idea that the Egyptians pioneered several millenia before xtianity was even invented.

http://www.egyptian-scarabs.co.uk/weighi..._heart.htm

Quote:The ancient Egyptians believed that, when they died, they would be judged on their behaviour during their lifetime before they could be granted a place in the Afterlife. This judgement ceremony was called "Weighing of the Heart" and was recorded in Chapter 125 of the funerar text known as the "Book of the Dead".

Quote:The symbolic ritual that accompanied this ritual was the weighing of the heart of the deceased on a pair of enormous scales. It was weighed against the principle of truth and justice ( known as maat ) represented by a feather, the symbol of the goddess of truth, order and justice, Maat. If the heart balanced against the feather then the deceased would be granted a place in the Fields of Hetep and Iaru. If it was heavy with the weight of wrongdoings, the balance would sink and the heart would be grabbed and devoured by a terrifying beast that sat ready and waiting by the scales. This beast was Ammit, "the gobbler", a composite animal with the head of a crocodile, the front legs and body of lion or leopard, and the back legs of a hippopotamus.

Quote:If the deceased was found to have done wrong and the heart weighed down the scales, he or she was not though to enter a place of tourment like hell, but to cease to exist at all. This idea would have terrified the ancient Egyptians.


Actually, far superior as a system of ethics to xtian shit which prefers to reward assholes who "believe" that their silly god existed.
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RE: Why don't Jews believe in Hell?
[quote='Minimalist' pid='65386' dateline='1271613484']
[quote]Only the righteous will have immortal souls. Eternal life is a gift from God. Those who refuse will have eternal death.[/quote]


An idea that the Egyptians pioneered several millenia before xtianity was even invented.

http://www.egyptian-scarabs.co.uk/weighi..._heart.htm

[quote]The ancient Egyptians believed that, when they died, they would be judged on their behaviour during their lifetime before they could be granted a place in the Afterlife. This judgement ceremony was called "Weighing of the Heart" and was recorded in Chapter 125 of the funerar text known as the "Book of the Dead".[/quote]

[quote]The symbolic ritual that accompanied this ritual was the weighing of the heart of the deceased on a pair of enormous scales. It was weighed against the principle of truth and justice ( known as maat ) represented by a feather, the symbol of the goddess of truth, order and justice, Maat. If the heart balanced against the feather then the deceased would be granted a place in the Fields of Hetep and Iaru. If it was heavy with the weight of wrongdoings, the balance would sink and the heart would be grabbed and devoured by a terrifying beast that sat ready and waiting by the scales. This beast was Ammit, "the gobbler", a composite animal with the head of a crocodile, the front legs and body of lion or leopard, and the back legs of a hippopotamus.[/quote]

Does this mean that Tavarish is a "gobbler" in waiting.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Why don't Jews believe in Hell?
@Min

just so.The counterweight to the heart was a feather.

"The Book Of The Dead " I think is more correctly known as 'The Book Of Coming Forth By Day' (?)



Quote: There is no de-jewification implied in my statement, if you interpreted it in that way.

Frodo I said nothing about you mentioning the de Jewification of Christianity. I mentioned it as widely accepted historical fact.


Jesus did not ' correctly interpret' the Torah. No one has ever made a definitively correct interpretation of The Law which remains always open to question and constant reinterpretation. Not even the Messiah would make such a claim was he would be stoned for blasphemy,something of which Jesus and his disciples would have been acutely aware.

Sadly,you have the same flaw as apologist generally. IE You accept the and Torah as revealed truth and as history. I do not. To me they are just books of mythology. It is most unlikely the Jesus of the NT existed.
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RE: Why don't Jews believe in Hell?
I just quoted the website, Pad. There probably was some high-falutin' title, though.
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RE: Why don't Jews believe in Hell?
Gilligan are you for real what denomination do you belong to or are you just out there all by yourself. Those things your talking about are condemned by God. So how is it that you could believe something God condemns.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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