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RE: Church and State
June 25, 2015 at 12:06 am
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(June 25, 2015 at 12:00 am)rexbeccarox Wrote: Your first link is about records retention and the laws governing that... I don't understand what that has to do with what's in your records, and your second link is about public schools... in Missouri... also about retention.
I'm not sure what retention has to do with it. Can you explain?
Missouri is just an example state that has complete legal authority to create laws related to how records are retained, and they can also audit the records. The government can also make rules about how hospitals keep records. The US government cannot make rules about how religious records are kept and they cannot audit religious records effectively.
The reason we have rules and audit the records is to prevent fraud.
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RE: Church and State
June 25, 2015 at 12:17 am
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Well, then, to me, there's a much bigger problem than being able to produce religious records to obtain a passport. I don't appreciate that any entity has the right to view anyone's records without the express permission of the person himself.
I'm going to have to research this...
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RE: Church and State
June 25, 2015 at 12:20 am
(June 25, 2015 at 12:17 am)rexbeccarox Wrote: Well, then, to me, there's a much bigger problem than being able to produce religious records to obtain a passport. I don't appreciate that any entity has the right to view anyone's records without the express permission of the person himself.
I'm going to have to research this...
The government is not going to ask for your permission. Have you been paying attention to the NSA stories?
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RE: Church and State
June 25, 2015 at 12:21 am
(June 25, 2015 at 12:20 am)das_atheist Wrote: (June 25, 2015 at 12:17 am)rexbeccarox Wrote: Well, then, to me, there's a much bigger problem than being able to produce religious records to obtain a passport. I don't appreciate that any entity has the right to view anyone's records without the express permission of the person himself.
I'm going to have to research this...
The government is not going to ask for your permission. Have you been paying attention to the NSA stories?
Of course; and I have a big problem with it.
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RE: Church and State
June 25, 2015 at 12:42 am
(June 25, 2015 at 12:21 am)rexbeccarox Wrote: (June 25, 2015 at 12:20 am)das_atheist Wrote: The government is not going to ask for your permission. Have you been paying attention to the NSA stories?
Of course; and I have a big problem with it.
But there shouldn't be any controversy with the government auditing public school records since they run the public schools. There also shouldn't be a problem with the government auditing hospital records since that information is important to the CDC. The government should be involved in the health care industry much more than it is now.
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RE: Church and State
June 25, 2015 at 2:04 am
I'm unaware of any massive, nefarious scheme by which churches are going to overthrow the US government by falsifying baptismal records.
Boru
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RE: Church and State
June 25, 2015 at 2:13 am
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(June 25, 2015 at 2:04 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I'm unaware of any massive, nefarious scheme by which churches are going to overthrow the US government by falsifying baptismal records.
Boru
What does that have to do with anything? I am not arguing that the churches are going to overthrow the US government. I think you just made a straw man argument.
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RE: Church and State
June 25, 2015 at 2:25 am
(June 25, 2015 at 2:13 am)das_atheist Wrote: (June 25, 2015 at 2:04 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I'm unaware of any massive, nefarious scheme by which churches are going to overthrow the US government by falsifying baptismal records.
Boru
What does that have to do with anything? I am not arguing that the churches are going to overthrow the US government. I think you just made a straw man argument.
'First off, all religions are treated equal so we are not just trusting the Catholics and Mormons for accurate record keeping and honesty.
Second, organized religion is notorious for scandals. They are going to abuse this power if they aren't already.'
And it isn't a straw man. If anything, it's reductio ad absurdum.
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RE: Church and State
June 25, 2015 at 2:32 am
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(June 25, 2015 at 2:25 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (June 25, 2015 at 2:13 am)das_atheist Wrote: What does that have to do with anything? I am not arguing that the churches are going to overthrow the US government. I think you just made a straw man argument.
'First off, all religions are treated equal so we are not just trusting the Catholics and Mormons for accurate record keeping and honesty.
Second, organized religion is notorious for scandals. They are going to abuse this power if they aren't already.'
And it isn't a straw man. If anything, it's reductio ad absurdum.
Boru
You think I fear a government takeover after reading that? Let me assure you that isn't something I worry about. The worst that could be happening is they are faking lots of records for undocumented immigrant families. That would be the reductio ad absurdum argument, but it's really not that absurd. Your government take over nonsense is just a straw man though.
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