Why choose to say 'godless' and not say 'i don't know'?

[TheMultiverseTheory]

This universe, the research and facts, theories, and mathematical recollections of it do not suggest that it has a God. Therefor, I can say that it is a Godless Universe and not feel hypocritical when debating Agnostics.

There is no suggested evidence for a supernatural higher-being in this universe. Can there be in another? I highly doubt that, but it is possible that there may be a more realistic form of a god -- for a different universe than ours. An alien race could create a universe, we ourselves could create a new lifeform or universe. By manipulated definition, the aliens and us have become gods in respect to the situation. But this universe we live in doesn't show itself to be one that has the tampering of a God inside it. So, though I can say it is possible another universe might, I am safe in saying this one doesn't. And therefor, able to be Athiest, without acknowledging the "We Don't Know" handicap that agnostics use.

[fr0d0]

If God is not a question of empirical evidence or strictly logical when factoring in faith, why deny him on those terms?

[TheMultiverseTheory]

Faith is a stupid gesture. I don't put faith in anything.
You can hope for something, but putting faith in it is like saying you have faith that it will not rain the next day, but the weather forecast says it will. And ultimately, it does rain, and you just say "Well, that's just how God made it."

Well, if you put faith in something that is ultimately up to God, then why have Faith? Faith is misguided and only for the weak who can't see the REAL WORLD around them or the fact that sht isn't up to faith, it is up to their god what happens (if they believe in one).

Because there is no evidence in this universe that it was created by a God, it is safe to delcare it an Atheistic Universe. Can I say the same for other universes? Probably, but there are many definitions of God that don't require the Supernatural bleh'age, so I can't go on record and say all universes were naturally made on their own by means of natural universe makings.

Faith isn't required. Faith, like Drugs, are strange for princess.

[Zen Badger]

Why deny? Anything is possible?

In that case, do you deny that Santa Claus exists, or do you say "I don't know?" After all, anything is possible...

Rather... does this individual deny that: bananas are evil kleptomaniacs currently at war with the Very Prickly Pineapples (VPP);

That spiders are in league with the angry robotic ninja spider monkeys (ARNSM), and who's web stretches into every home and location on Earth;

That the Wei Lord of Sala (Weilordusala) went through the Trials of Strongest Foods (which nobody else had ever completed) so that he could defeat the Big Salsa and his hordes of Red Hot Salsa Men (RHSM) who attacked the happy kingdom of Sala, and that the best way to beat the Big Salsa and his minions is with Chips;

Finally: that I am sillier than a snowball fight between Gandalf and Pikachu?

A snowball fight between Gandalf and Picachu?????

That would be EPIC

[tavarish]

Faith is a stupid gesture. I don't put faith in anything.

Sure you do. Faith can also equate to a trusting emotion, and is not necessarily belief without evidence or despite contrary evidence.

You can hope for something, but putting faith in it is like saying you have faith that it will not rain the next day, but the weather forecast says it will. And ultimately, it does rain, and you just say "Well, that's just how God made it."

That's not necessarily faith, it's rationalization and confirmation bias.

Well, if you put faith in something that is ultimately up to God, then why have Faith?

I do believe theists have faith IN God, not something that simply is decided by God. Theists convey that God is in control always, so everything is up to him.

Faith is misguided and only for the weak who can't see the REAL WORLD around them or the fact that sht isn't up to faith, it is up to their god what happens (if they believe in one).

Why is it for the weak? Do you have faith that your experiences of the real world are accurate?

Because there is no evidence in this universe that it was created by a God, it is safe to delcare it an Atheistic Universe.

I got into this with Arcanus a while back.

Can you demonstrate that there is no evidence in this universe of a God's creation?

Why then, would you declare it an Atheistic universe?

Can I say the same for other universes? Probably, but there are many definitions of God that don't require the Supernatural bleh'age, so I can't go on record and say all universes were naturally made on their own by means of natural universe makings.

You'd first have to demonstrate that other universes exist, then define God and demonstrate that other universes don't require such a being. Only after that is verified with evidence can you make a positive claim and have a credible statement that comports with reality.

[Thor]

You can hope for something, but putting faith in it is like saying you have faith that it will not rain the next day, but the weather forecast says it will. And ultimately, it does rain, and you just say "Well, that's just how God made it."

This reminds me of a something I saw on a reality show. Some people were talking to a farmer and the farmer made a comment about "this beautiful day that God gave us!"

This statement passed without further comment. But if I had been there I would have immediately asked the farmer if he blames "God" when people die because of hurricanes, tornados, blizzards, floods, etc... I'm sure the farmer would have said, "of course not." Then I would have said that if you credit "God" when the weather is nice, you are saying that "God" is responsible for the weather. Well, if he's responsible for GOOD weather, he must also be responsible for the BAD weather. He's either responsible for all of it, or none of it. Therefore, if he's responsible for a "beautiful day", he's also responsible for weather disasters that kill thousands of people. So, if you want to tell me that "God" is responsible for good weather, you also have to acknowledge that he kills people with bad weather. But, if he's not responsible for hurricanes and such, then he's also NOT responsible when we have a beautiful day. And you shouldn't be crediting him when the weather is nice.

I wonder what kind of reaction I would have gotten...

[tavarish]

You can hope for something, but putting faith in it is like saying you have faith that it will not rain the next day, but the weather forecast says it will. And ultimately, it does rain, and you just say "Well, that's just how God made it."

This reminds me of a something I saw on a reality show. Some people were talking to a farmer and the farmer made a comment about "this beautiful day that God gave us!"

This statement passed without further comment. But if I had been there I would have immediately asked the farmer if he blames "God" when people die because of hurricanes, tornados, blizzards, floods, etc... I'm sure the farmer would have said, "of course not." Then I would have said that if you credit "God" when the weather is nice, you are saying that "God" is responsible for the weather. Well, if he's responsible for GOOD weather, he must also be responsible for the BAD weather. He's either responsible for all of it, or none of it. Therefore, if he's responsible for a "beautiful day", he's also responsible for weather disasters that kill thousands of people. So, if you want to tell me that "God" is responsible for good weather, you also have to acknowledge that he kills people with bad weather. But, if he's not responsible for hurricanes and such, then he's also NOT responsible when we have a beautiful day. And you shouldn't be crediting him when the weather is nice.

I wonder what kind of reaction I would have gotten...

God is only responsible for the good things, ya thilly gooth.

[Thor]

God is only responsible for the good things, ya thilly gooth.

Now why didn't I think of that? It makes perfect sense!

[Minimalist]

Why choose to say 'godless' and not say 'i don't know'?

How very predictable that you cannot see the obvious corollary to that statement.

"Why choose to say 'god' and not say "I don't know?"

[savethedreams]

You can hope for something, but putting faith in it is like saying you have faith that it will not rain the next day, but the weather forecast says it will. And ultimately, it does rain, and you just say "Well, that's just how God made it."

This reminds me of a something I saw on a reality show. Some people were talking to a farmer and the farmer made a comment about "this beautiful day that God gave us!"

This statement passed without further comment. But if I had been there I would have immediately asked the farmer if he blames "God" when people die because of hurricanes, tornados, blizzards, floods, etc... I'm sure the farmer would have said, "of course not." Then I would have said that if you credit "God" when the weather is nice, you are saying that "God" is responsible for the weather. Well, if he's responsible for GOOD weather, he must also be responsible for the BAD weather. He's either responsible for all of it, or none of it. Therefore, if he's responsible for a "beautiful day", he's also responsible for weather disasters that kill thousands of people. So, if you want to tell me that "God" is responsible for good weather, you also have to acknowledge that he kills people with bad weather. But, if he's not responsible for hurricanes and such, then he's also NOT responsible when we have a beautiful day. And you shouldn't be crediting him when the weather is nice.

I wonder what kind of reaction I would have gotten...

God is only responsible for the good things, ya thilly gooth.

See that depends on what you 'define' as good or bad, I love hurricanes and death can be a relief at times, both statements are true. See what I don't like about 'atheist' is that they keep taking this 'Christian' form of what god is...like he is a man. Which the all time best-selling fairy tale book aka the bible doesn't even support that idea, ironically. Someone can look at what God created a thunderstorm and say I can sleep at night the sound of the thunderstorm is relaxing and the person next door can say 'the sound of the thunderstorm keeps me awake', they can both blame god, not good nor bad, just is. Trust me, if man didn't screw up and build a greedy earth-destroying mansion in the middle of nowhere that keep lots of animal habitat would he, suffer from a weather disaster. I would say don't blame the hurricane that beautiful your dumbass was in the way.