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Does a "True Self" Exist?
#61
RE: Does a "True Self" Exist?
(July 9, 2015 at 9:18 am)Rhythm Wrote: That's ridiculous Pops, and you're not -actually- talking about energy....so why don't you use some other word?
Uhm. What word would you prefer?
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#62
RE: Does a "True Self" Exist?
Does a "True Self" Exist?

Who wants to know?
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#63
RE: Does a "True Self" Exist?
(July 15, 2015 at 8:41 pm)bennyboy Wrote: I don't think emotions can be the self.  We experience emotions as something happening TO us, i.e. as something of the body but not necessarily of the self.

I am not my pain, or my joy, or my anger.

What are you, then?
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#64
RE: Does a "True Self" Exist?
One badass motherfucker!
(couldn't resist)

@Pops
Quote:Uhm. What word would you prefer?
Call it fleeflarp if you like, just don't pretend it has anything to do with energy when it doesn't. -That- would be stolen credence. How did you come to this belief in "x" btw?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#65
RE: Does a "True Self" Exist?
(July 16, 2015 at 6:57 am)chasbanner Wrote:
(July 15, 2015 at 8:41 pm)bennyboy Wrote: I don't think emotions can be the self.  We experience emotions as something happening TO us, i.e. as something of the body but not necessarily of the self.

I am not my pain, or my joy, or my anger.

What are you, then?

I am the experiencer of pain, joy and anger, among other things.  I know this to be true because when I transition from calm to anger, I do not cease to exist.  Therefore, I cannot be either my calm or my anger, but something which underlies them both.
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#66
RE: Does a "True Self" Exist?
I hate the word "philosophy" , science is way beyond mere mental masterbation.
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#67
RE: Does a "True Self" Exist?
(July 16, 2015 at 2:54 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I hate the word "philosophy" , science is way beyond mere mental masterbation.

Science is a branch of philosophy; it is rooted in specific beliefs about the nature of reality, which themselves are ultimately not provable but which are extremely useful to us.  Forming those beliefs, and discussing how to best act on them, was (and still is) a philosophical process.

And why did you just enter a thread in the "Philosophy" forum section to say that, and say ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the OP?  That's unintelligent at best, and trolling at worst.

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Yup, I just read all seven pages of this thread, and you made no other posts, and responded to absolutely nobody or their ideas. Trolls like you are the reason I made a suggestion to forum rules that new entries into a thread should show they understand the OP and have read a non-zero amount of the thread content before throwing up all over it.
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#68
RE: Does a "True Self" Exist?
Pops, you will always be on the backfoot when it comes to describing how you feel about "things".
Because all these things, eg: good, bad, karma, divineness, souls, etc do not have a physical equivalent.
You're not alone. All religios have the same problem. Hell, you can't even get one of the 5 billion religios to even begin to describe God using any physical attributes.
That's because these are not physical entities. They are not measurable or repeatable by testing. As far as us and science is concerned, they don't exist.
These are ideas and thoughts. Nothing wrong with that. It's when you try to bring your pink unicorn to life where your logic breaks down.
It's nothing personal pops, you know we treat all "woo" the same way... we have a need ....a need for speed proof!
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear.
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#69
RE: Does a "True Self" Exist?
(July 16, 2015 at 2:19 pm)bennyboy Wrote:
(July 16, 2015 at 6:57 am)chasbanner Wrote: What are you, then?

I am the experiencer of pain, joy and anger, among other things.  I know this to be true because when I transition from calm to anger, I do not cease to exist.  Therefore, I cannot be either my calm or my anger, but something which underlies them both.

You are a camera?
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