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RE: "Ex Muslim Voices" campaign...
July 13, 2015 at 7:31 am
Brilliant. This is exactly the kind of thing we need!
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RE: "Ex Muslim Voices" campaign...
July 14, 2015 at 9:02 am
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This movement is so important given the issues people from Muslim backgrounds face in leaving. I think it's also important western liberals get on board with this instead of defending Islamic conservatives. The pro-Islamist left trample all over these peoples' rights when they defend Islamism. In the name of not being racist too, how ironic.
Maryam Namazie is a great ex-Muslim speaker I think. This speech she gave just says it all;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAOekkiHl2Q
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RE: "Ex Muslim Voices" campaign...
July 14, 2015 at 9:05 am
The worst thing about the liberal left is that despite some of them not knowing any muslims at all, they still believe what they say is more important than what people's actual experiences with the religion. I know that as a general rule personal experience is not evidence, but personal experience works when experimenting something gives you a better insight. More than neo-cons or liberals, the people who we should let talk about Islam are ex-Muslims. Same is true for other religions.
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RE: "Ex Muslim Voices" campaign...
July 14, 2015 at 9:08 am
There is definitely a place for Dawkins and Hitchens to talk about Islam I think, the West does need to show solidarity with people who are struggling under austere Islamism. You are right though, we need more people who have actually had the experience to come forward and speak on it. It's raw and authentic then.
Hopefully this should happen naturally as time goes on, especially now there is a growing ex-Muslim movement.
"Adulthood is like looking both ways before you cross the road, and then getting hit by an airplane" - sarcasm_only
"Ironically like the nativist far-Right, which despises multiculturalism, but benefits from its ideas of difference to scapegoat the other and to promote its own white identity politics; these postmodernists, leftists, feminists and liberals also use multiculturalism, to side with the oppressor, by demanding respect and tolerance for oppression characterised as 'difference', no matter how intolerable." - Maryam Namazie
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RE: "Ex Muslim Voices" campaign...
July 14, 2015 at 9:16 am
What I think is that both liberals and neo-conservatives make mistakes - Liberals assume everything that has the label "religion" on it is sacred and can't be disrespected, and that everyone who is an immigrant and non-white must be protected at all cost, so everything that happens because of Islam or any other religion is not because of X religion but because some evil psychopath did it. Neo-cons think muslims are a dangerous for national security, even innocent hardworking ones, and they want to keep them in conditions we could not keep serial killers. I think there's a middle ground between hating all Muslims and saying religion is blame-free. People who've suffered in the name of Islam have more authority to speak about it because they experienced it first-hand - Of course, you can study it and know everything about the religion, but to experience the effects is way more important because you get a better perception.
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