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Test my belief system
#31
RE: Test my belief system
Is? Is is just one those words which has to be used while defining itself. Is is the state something is in Tongue
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#32
RE: Test my belief system
(August 15, 2015 at 2:02 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote:
(August 15, 2015 at 11:40 am)Pyrrho Wrote: robvalue can answer for himself, but the distinguishing characteristic of ignosticism is the idea that the term "god" is meaningless.  Therefore, saying "god exists" is like saying "sdfadsafdjsl exits."  In other words, it is not really saying anything. 

A standard agnostic is someone who does not say that the term "god" is meaningless, but says that he or she does not know whether god exists or not.  The ignostic says that the question of "god's" existence is meaningless and therefore nothing is being asked when one utters, "does god exist?"

To give more details, to the question "Does god exist?"

Theist: Yes.

Agnostic:   I don't know.

Weak atheist:  I do not believe god exists (and do not believe god does not exist).  (The weak atheist simply does not believe the statement "god exists" and does not affirm that god does not exist.)

Strong atheist: No.

Ignostic:  Your question is meaningless.


As you can see from the link to ignosticism, there is some dispute over whether ignosticism is compatible with agnosticism or some form of atheism.  Also, an ignostic may simply say he or she is an atheist when asked such things, to avoid having to explain his or her position and to give a simple answer that gives at least an approximation of their position (that is, it is more akin to atheism than theism).

Bold Mine:

This is where I was getting confused because it seems like a person could be both.

I'm sorta both.

I identify as Agnostic because I am willing to use the term "god" very loosely,
because it has a colloquial definition, if nothing else.

However, if pressed, I will readily agree with Ignostics that the definition is technically non-existent.
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#33
RE: Test my belief system
(August 29, 2015 at 8:59 am)robvalue Wrote: Erm....

I try and treat animals and humans nicely, I'm not sure how you got from there to godlike. I'm not proposing forcing anyone to do anything I say. These are my personal beliefs. Where did I say I wanted to make this the rule for everybody? This isn't a manifesto for running a country.

Killing doctors? How is what I said anything like that? I do my best to reduce the harm I do. It seems there has been a major misunderstanding.

Read #7 in your original post.
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#34
RE: Test my belief system
(August 29, 2015 at 9:10 am)MTL Wrote:
(August 15, 2015 at 2:02 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: Bold Mine:

This is where I was getting confused because it seems like a person could be both.

I'm sorta both.

I identify as Agnostic because I am willing to use the term "god" very loosely,
because it has a colloquial definition, if nothing else.

However, if pressed, I will readily agree with Ignostics that the definition is technically non-existent.

I would say that I am both as well, because I think some concepts of god are better defined than others.
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#35
RE: Test my belief system
(August 29, 2015 at 2:11 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote:
(August 29, 2015 at 9:10 am)MTL Wrote: I'm sorta both.

I identify as Agnostic because I am willing to use the term "god" very loosely,
because it has a colloquial definition, if nothing else.

However, if pressed, I will readily agree with Ignostics that the definition is technically non-existent.

I would say that I am both as well, because I think some concepts of god are better defined than others.

Me three!
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#36
RE: Test my belief system
(August 15, 2015 at 4:47 am)robvalue Wrote: 1) I am a sceptic. (I try to only believe things when there is a good reason to do so. The degree to which I apply my scepticism depends on both the extraordinary nature of the claim, and the importance.)
Why use "sceptic" instead of "skeptic"?

(August 15, 2015 at 4:47 am)robvalue Wrote: 2) I am an ignostic atheist. (I do not have a belief in "God", and further I feel the question as generally asked is meaningless since there is no unambiguous definition of "God". I can't believe in something when I don't even know what it is.)
Why bother with such labels? For general theists, the term "atheist" is enough to start picturing a demonic spawn-of-evil

(August 15, 2015 at 4:47 am)robvalue Wrote: 3) I do not claim that anything I say is certainly correct, nor do I claim to know everything. "I don't know" is a perfectly valid answer. I can speculate, but I'm aware that is what I am doing.
How far can you "speculate" towards the existence of yahweh from OT?

(August 15, 2015 at 4:47 am)robvalue Wrote: 4) My morality is based on evaluating the consequences of my actions. I weigh the likely benefit to humans, animals and the environment against the likely costs. No other definition of morality matters to me. My answer to any moral question may be that it's very complex and I'd have to consider all angles. I don't have instant answers to everything.
Do you actually weigh the consequences of all your actions?

(August 15, 2015 at 4:47 am)robvalue Wrote: 5) As far as I know, life has no inherent purpose. Instead, we decide our own purpose and make the best use of our lives as we see fit. The happiness and suffering of those in the here and now is enough to give it a real purpose to me.
so what is your purpose?

(August 15, 2015 at 4:47 am)robvalue Wrote: 6) I try to use logic as much as possible, and to avoid superstition. I am human though and I make mistakes. I try to make as few unecessary assumptions as possible.
How good are you at chess?

(August 15, 2015 at 4:47 am)robvalue Wrote: 7) I believe in people and animals being treated as fairly as possible, regardless of their particular attributes or personal choices. Of course some choices to harm others must be met with removal from general society in order to prevent further harm to others.
How do you determine what's fair?
Quote:To know yet to think that one does not know is best; Not to know yet to think that one knows will lead to difficulty.
- Lau Tzu

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#37
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Wallym:




Magi: Thanks for your questions Smile


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#38
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1. Every life has a fundamental purpose.
2. If you think the question "Do you believe in God?" is meaningless.Which answer do you think is most illogical to the question - Yes or No?


Yeah,that's about the only problem i found in first glance Big Grin
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#39
RE: Test my belief system
1. What purpose is this? When I say life has no apparent inherent purpose, I mean from the perspective of a neutral universe / an ”outsider". Purpose implies to me some sort of intended overall goal. Of course we can analyse how things work and attribute our own purpose to anything we like. But "purpose" is an abstract judgement, not a quality inherent to things themselves. That's my intended point Smile Of course we can debate what the definition of "purpose" is. But I meant it to be as part of some sort of intended goal.

If however we turn out to be a computer simulation, life as we view it could be viewed as having an inherent/external purpose, that being completing a program. Whether that program has any purpose itself is another matter, I refer only to our reality for the moment.

2. Saying yes, that you do believe in something while not understanding the question, is most illogical in my opinion. By saying no, you're not saying you believe such a thing does not exist, you're saying you don't believe it does exist. From this point of view, weak atheism makes the most sense while "God" remains undefined.
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#40
RE: Test my belief system
1. The most fundamental purpose of life is to survive.

2. I'll leave you alone on this point because i love you.
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