Cheating website hacked and customer data released.

[Excited Penguin]

Whenever Minimalist takes a swipe at Xtians noone bats an eyelid - for example.

But there are more forms or irrationality out there, you know? I'm as certain about some things as possible - I don't see why that should stop me from conveying them in an honest manner. You can complain about me all you want and all I can do about it, apparently, is hope one day you'll get what kind of world you would live in without my kind of mindset and personality. That being said, I feel sorry for you and wish I could convey those feelings somehow in this particular medium. Oh, well.

[CapnAwesome]

Yeah, it is interesting how much power hacker groups have when they are basically just random people with good computer skills.

However I don't blame them at all for destroying marriages, I blame the people who cheated. If you went outside the bounds of your marriage it's your fault for doing it, not somebodies fault for finding you out.

I find that you take a simplistic view of it. Or maybe you're biased about it for some reason.

There are surely marriages among those destroyed by this action in which the cheated one wouldn't have ever found out about it - and been happier for it too. The view that what we don't know doesn't hurt us and that ignorance is bliss, can be especially true in this situation. But I might be wrong about this. Even so, it is the hackers' fault and you can't take that away from it just by putting an immoral spin into (or even bringing ethical considerations into it at all)  what they uncovered - at least not in this case, certainly. These are still people. Their lives should remain private no matter what - to the extent they wish them to be as such and especially if they're using a product that is supposed to protect their privacy. They fucked someone else - so fucking what? It's not a crime - or, at least, it sure as hell shouldn't be(especially when you take into account natural biological impulses that some humans have in the extreme).

I've never been cheated on, not that I know of. I also tend towards open relationships, so it's not really an issue for me. I've also never been married. I agree that it's not really a big deal if someone fucks someone else. However I agree with you. If it's emotionally damaging to the people who don't agree then it is morally wrong. Be an adult and work something out with your spouse. You can't blame the people who find out. That's like blaming snowden for revealing all the stuff the government was doing wrong. Maybe we'd be happier if we didn't know, but people have the right to know. This is all without the issue of all the dishonest and the STD risk.

[Excited Penguin]

I find that you take a simplistic view of it. Or maybe you're biased about it for some reason.

There are surely marriages among those destroyed by this action in which the cheated one wouldn't have ever found out about it - and been happier for it too. The view that what we don't know doesn't hurt us and that ignorance is bliss, can be especially true in this situation. But I might be wrong about this. Even so, it is the hackers' fault and you can't take that away from it just by putting an immoral spin into (or even bringing ethical considerations into it at all)  what they uncovered - at least not in this case, certainly. These are still people. Their lives should remain private no matter what - to the extent they wish them to be as such and especially if they're using a product that is supposed to protect their privacy. They fucked someone else - so fucking what? It's not a crime - or, at least, it sure as hell shouldn't be(especially when you take into account natural biological impulses that some humans have in the extreme).

I've never been cheated on, not that I know of. I also tend towards open relationships, so it's not really an issue for me. I've also never been married. I agree that it's not really a big deal if someone fucks someone else. However I agree with you. If it's emotionally damaging to the people who don't agree then it is morally wrong. Be an adult and work something out with your spouse. You can't blame the people who find out. That's like blaming snowden for revealing all the stuff the government was doing wrong. Maybe we'd be happier if we didn't know, but people have the right to know. This is all without the issue of all the dishonest and the STD risk.

I haven't thought about the STDs risk. The emotional side of things I already covered - what you don't know can't hurt you. But I don't know how to get around the STDs, nor am I an expert on that sort of stuff so I'll refrain from further attacking marriage or defending the cheaters, given this - it's quite enough. Thanks for that.

One small note though, without the STDs your argument would fail altogether, I think. Nor could it include the Snowden comparison. But that's all meaningless, since being that cheating involves an enormous risk of infecting both married partners, it's quite enough of a reason for you to be on the right on this.

Actually, on that basis alone I find the institution of marriage to make a lot more sense, especially if you're a heterosexual man - since I think men are more prone to cheating than women. But you could also get around that on the basis of trust, say if you were only selecting your sexual partners from a non-inclusive group of people you are part of who weren't fucking anyone else - or something like that. Or if you were part of a system where everyone agreed to test themselves before entering a sexual relationship with someone else. Or simply if you have reason good enough to believe that whoever you're having sex with is not infected with any STDs.

This is all ignoring the condom, which is not exactly perfect but still, comes in handy in these kinds of situations.



If you want us to further explore what implications might arise from the emotional side of this though, let me know.

[CapnAwesome]

A promise doesn't change anything at all. Promises are for idiots, anyway. We shouldn't promise anything since we can't exactly control our own future circumstances(no matter how potent the illusion that we can is) in order to make sure we can respect that promise before we even consider making it.

You know, you keep posting things that make me think you're finally understanding how to have a decent conversation with people, then you either post something totally inflammatory toward the person you're talking to, or you just illustrate that you're just not a nice person like you did here.  Also, you need to quit thinking like everyone should live by your standards. We get it: you think you're superior to everyone here- you've made that abundantly clear. Guess what, though. Some people make promises of monogamy and "oops, my dick slipped!" or "I don't know how my panties got in that guy's bed!" never even make into the couples' conversations.

Haha, go easy on him. I got a feeling from this conversation that he was young and according to his profile he's 19 and it's possible a 19 year old doesn't know everything in the world about how adult relationships actually work.

[Excited Penguin]

You know, you keep posting things that make me think you're finally understanding how to have a decent conversation with people, then you either post something totally inflammatory toward the person you're talking to, or you just illustrate that you're just not a nice person like you did here.  Also, you need to quit thinking like everyone should live by your standards. We get it: you think you're superior to everyone here- you've made that abundantly clear. Guess what, though. Some people make promises of monogamy and "oops, my dick slipped!" or "I don't know how my panties got in that guy's bed!" never even make into the couples' conversations.

Haha, go easy on him. I got a feeling from this conversation that he was young and according to his profile he's 19 and it's possible a 19 year old doesn't know everything in the world about how adult relationships actually work.

I don't see what my age has to do with the irrational nature of promises, but you do have a slight point there, even though my inexperience is more likely to be related to more practical issues than the one I was discussing in that particular instance.

[rexbeccarox]

You know, you keep posting things that make me think you're finally understanding how to have a decent conversation with people, then you either post something totally inflammatory toward the person you're talking to, or you just illustrate that you're just not a nice person like you did here.  Also, you need to quit thinking like everyone should live by your standards. We get it: you think you're superior to everyone here- you've made that abundantly clear. Guess what, though. Some people make promises of monogamy and "oops, my dick slipped!" or "I don't know how my panties got in that guy's bed!" never even make into the couples' conversations.

Haha, go easy on him. I got a feeling from this conversation that he was young and according to his profile he's 19 and it's possible a 19 year old doesn't know everything in the world about how adult relationships actually work.

Sure; he's young. You've got a point there. Look through his post history, though, and you'll see where I'm coming from here. It's not just about relationships.

[SteelCurtain]

One fantastic thing that comes from this:

Josh Duggar had an Ashley Madison account.

Maybe karma is a real thing...

[CapnAwesome]

Haha, go easy on him. I got a feeling from this conversation that he was young and according to his profile he's 19 and it's possible a 19 year old doesn't know everything in the world about how adult relationships actually work.

Sure; he's young. You've got a point there. Look through his post history, though, and you'll see where I'm coming from here. It's not just about relationships.

Haha, I can't think of anything more tedious than looking through someone's post history on here and I trust you enough as it is to skip that step. However as a personal policy I try to understand where all people are coming from, even unpleasant people.

[Excited Penguin]

Haha, go easy on him. I got a feeling from this conversation that he was young and according to his profile he's 19 and it's possible a 19 year old doesn't know everything in the world about how adult relationships actually work.

Sure; he's young. You've got a point there. Look through his post history, though, and you'll see where I'm coming from here. It's not just about relationships.

You mean to say I said promises are for idiots. I was being direct, that's all. No use getting offended over it. You should have argued why you think promises are not idiotic instead and we would've got on just fine. If you would prefer for me to be polite but lose the direct, intimate approach, frankly, I don't care.

[Excited Penguin]

Sure; he's young. You've got a point there. Look through his post history, though, and you'll see where I'm coming from here. It's not just about relationships.

Haha, I can't think of anything more tedious than looking through someone's post history on here and I trust you enough as it is to skip that step. However as a personal policy I try to understand where all people are coming from, even unpleasant people.

That's my approach too and I think it's the right one. I certainly arived at it from a rational point of view. However pleasant and unpleasant are relative notions. I find it a little weird that you seem to imply I am unpleasant to you while at the same time talking about me in the third person in such a manner, as if automatically dismissing me. So that pretty much means you have the same stated outlook as I do concerning evaluation of individuals but not necessarily that you follow through with your own ideas by translating them into actions.