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July 7, 2010 at 8:15 pm (This post was last modified: July 7, 2010 at 8:15 pm by Ace Otana.)
(July 7, 2010 at 7:40 pm)chatpilot Wrote: Maybe he got sucked into a black hole and is still stuck there, or he just got lost in this vast universe of ours and does not remember how to make his way back to Earth.
Got stuck in a black hole. No my friend. He tripped over a passing comet and fell into a black hole that sent him into oblivion. Which is why he failed to turn up when he said he would. He could convince many fools to believe in the shit he spouted but couldn't keep his word about returning. I'm guessing even he couldn't avoid death. Death still has him caged up and removed from existance. Some god he is.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
Quote:It's funny because according to the scriptures Jesus promised he would come back in their lifetime.
Mark 9:1
And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
Mark 13:26,30
26.And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
30.Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
Ah C-P but the phonies will tell you that there are all sorts of reasons why you, as an unbeliever do not understand what is clearly written. They will also tell you that using the same reasoning that 1+1=3.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
always working on cleaning my windows- me regarding Johari
Yeah tack he is sitting at the right hand of God but what of his return? Did he sit down and just forget to get back up? Did he forget that his mission is not over yet?
There is nothing people will not maintain when they are slaves to superstition
August 10, 2010 at 3:39 am (This post was last modified: August 20, 2010 at 4:02 am by AngelThMan.)
rjh4 Wrote:...I think the existence of the universe itself is evidence of the existence of God...
I’m not one of those Christians who think every single thing we see around us necessarily points towards the existence of God. However, there are certain things which definitely posses a quality of intelligent design. Besides what I’ve mentioned in my threads, here are some other examples…
Fire: Fire is crucial to man, and only man uses fire. It has been essential for the development of our species. I challenge anyone to name any other species that exclusively uses an element of nature.
The fact that water destroys fire is another clue. While fire is so destructive, it was so instrumental to man that we had no choice but to utilize it. But we needed a way to control it. Water is such a way. It is a gentle, everyday substance, and yet it so easily extinguishes such a destructive force of nature. Can you think of any other ‘everyday’ substance which can easily destroy or put out another force of nature? (I’m not talking about scientific inventions or discoveries, which are only accessible to those who created them. I’m talking about ‘everyday’ substances ubiquitous on this earth, accessible to everyone).
Smoke: Again, fire has been a necessity for the survival of man, and yet it is so dangerous and destructive. Without smoke fire would creep up and destroy people and their resources. The fact that there is smoke, and the pungent smell of smoke, shows that we were intelligently provided with fire as a tool, though there’s a built in mechanism meant to be a warning system.
There's a mind behind the set of rules by which fire, smoke and water relate to one another.
Medicinal Plants and Herbs: There is a plant or herb pretty much for every ailment out there. Some medicines today are still manufactured using plants or herbs, at least in part. Banana skins alone have a powerful antioxidant and strong healing benefits. Looking at this from an angle open to intelligent design, you can see how someone might be looking out for us.
Ocean Current: The ocean current is a complex maze in the ocean. Heat essential to life is distributed through this current throughout the earth. The complexity and accuracy of the ocean current is indication of intelligent design.
Bananas: If you observe how apes and certain natives and people peel bananas, you will have a clearer understanding of the following. Bananas have a handle at one end, which is how most people peel bananas. However, peeling it this way can sometimes mush the banana at that end and can be awkward. But if you peel the banana by pressing on the opposite tip and peeling from that end, you’ll end up with a perfect banana. There’s no reason for the banana’s survival as a species to have developed such a tip. It looks like someone out there has provided a means to easily peel the world’s most popular fruit without mangling the inside.
Coconut: This fruit has a hard shell. But each coconut has three circular indentations, resembling the holes of a bowling ball, which have softer textures. Have we been provided a way to get to the juice of this fruit, which has a hard outer shell?
Guitar calluses: I play guitar, and I was thinking about the calluses one develops on the fingers after playing for a while. For those of you who are not musicians, when a person first plays guitar, the strings hurt the fingers. But after a few weeks, guitarists develop calluses on the tips of their fingers, which protect their fingers from the strings, and it no longer hurts to play. Calluses on feet hurt when you press or walk on them. And yet the calluses on your guitar fingers have just the opposite effect. Is someone out there enabling us to play an instrument?
These are just a few examples. They are things that when I gave it some thought I said "Wow, there's someone behind this work."
Atheists love to point to things such as world starvation, and the death of the innocent, using these examples to demonstrate there’s no God. I’m employing the same principles in reverse, by pointing to things that have the quality of intelligent design.
rjh4 Wrote:...I think the existence of the universe itself is evidence of the existence of God...
I’m not one of those Christians who think every single thing we see around us necessarily points towards
the existence of God. However, there are certain things which definitely posses a quality of intelligent design. Besides what I’ve mentioned in my threads, here are some other examples…
Fire: Fire is crucial to man, and only man uses fire. It has been essential for the development of our species. I challenge anyone to name any other species that exclusively uses an element of nature.
The fact that water destroys fire is another clue. While fire is so destructive, it was so instrumental to man that we had no choice but to utilize it. But we needed a way to control it. Water is such a way. It is a gentle, everyday mineral, and yet it so easily extinguishes such a destructive force of nature. Can you think of any other ‘everyday’ mineral which can easily destroy or put out another force of nature? (I’m not talking about scientific inventions or discoveries, which are only accessible to those who created them. I’m talking about ‘everyday’ minerals ubiquitous on this earth, accessible to everyone).
Smoke: Again, fire has been a necessity for the survival of man, and yet it is so dangerous and destructive. Without smoke fire would creep up and destroy people and their resources. The fact that there is smoke, and the pungent smell of smoke, shows that we were intelligently provided with fire as a tool, though there’s a built in mechanism meant to be a warning system.
Medicinal Plants and Herbs: There is a plant or herb pretty much for every ailment out there. Some medicines today are still manufactured using plants or herbs, at least in part. Banana skins alone have a powerful antioxidant and strong healing benefits. Looking at this from an angle open to intelligent design, you can see how someone might be looking out for us.
Jet Stream: The jet stream is a complex maze in the ocean. Heat essential to life is distributed through this stream throughout the earth. The complexity and accuracy of the jet stream is indication of intelligent design.
Bananas: If you observe how apes and certain natives and people peel bananas, you will have a clearer picture of what I will describe here. Bananas have a handle at one end, which is how most people peel bananas. However, peeling it this way can sometimes mush the banana at that end and can be awkward. But if you open the banana by pressing on the opposite tip and peeling from that end, you’ll end up with a perfect banana. There’s no reason for the banana’s survival as a species to have developed such a tip. It looks like someone out there has provided a means to easily peel the world’s most popular fruit without mangling the inside.
Coconut: This fruit has a hard shell. But each coconut has three circular indentations, resembling the holes of a bowling ball, which have softer textures. Have we been provided a way to get to the juice of this fruit, which has a hard outer shell?
Guitar calluses: I play guitar, and I was thinking about the calluses one develops on the fingers after playing for a while. For those of you who are not musicians, when a person first plays guitar, the strings hurt the fingers. But after a few weeks, guitarists develop calluses on the tips of their fingers, which protect their fingers from the strings, and it no longer hurts to play. Calluses on feet hurt when you press or walk on them. And yet the calluses on your guitar fingers have just the opposite effect. Is someone out there giving us a means to play an instrument?
These are just a few examples. There are many more if we take a careful look.
Atheists love to point to things such as world starvation, and the death of the innocent, using these examples to demonstrate there’s no God. I’m using the same principles in reverse, by pointing to things that show there is a God.
Apologies for lack of research citations and being time pressured; but I am of the opinion that many animal species on this planet use the primitive tools you have cited that are the exclusive to this ID you are espousing. What you have stated proves nothing and your "careful look" is through the rose coloured glasses of your belief system I'm thinking.
Nice try though
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
(August 10, 2010 at 3:39 am)AngelThMan Wrote: I’m not one of those Christians who think every single thing we see around us necessarily points towards the existence of God. However, there are certain things which definitely posses a quality of intelligent design. Besides what I’ve mentioned in my threads, here are some other examples…
Oh, boy... here we go!
Quote:Fire: Fire is crucial to man, .
So the rapid oxidation of material which gives off energy in the form of heat and light "possesses a quality of intelligent design"? Setting that bar awfully low, aren't you? I suppose the wind must also possess a quality of intelligent design...
Quote: and only man uses fire.
Not true. There are certain plants that need fire to activate their seeds so they germinate.
Quote:It has been essential for the development of our species.
And this proves.....?
Quote:I challenge anyone to name any other species that exclusively uses an element of nature.
Pretty much every species uses elements of nature. Bats live in caves. Does this mean caves were produced by "intelligent design"? Many types of bugs like to live under rocks. Are rocks products of "intelligent design"? There are certain creatures that survive in the deep ocean by living in the vicinity of hydrothermal vents. Are hydrothermal vents products of "intelligent design"?
Quote:The fact that water destroys fire is another clue.
That bar just keeps getting lower and lower....
Quote:While fire is so destructive, it was so instrumental to man that we had no choice but to utilize it. But we needed a way to control it.
So "God" gave us water?
Yeesh....
Quote:Water is such a way.
As is throwing dirt on a fire...
Quote:It is a gentle, everyday mineral,
Water is a mineral? Where did you go to school?
Quote:and yet it so easily extinguishes such a destructive force of nature.
Ever try extinguishing a grease fire or a chemical fire with water? How about an oil fire?
Quote:Can you think of any other ‘everyday’ mineral which can easily destroy or put out another force of nature?
Again, water is not a mineral. But since you asked... salt is quite capable of easily destroying bacteria. And it's a mineral, too!
Quote:Smoke: Again, fire has been a necessity for the survival of man, and yet it is so dangerous and destructive. Without smoke fire would creep up and destroy people and their resources. The fact that there is smoke, and the pungent smell of smoke, shows that we were intelligently provided with fire as a tool, though there’s a built in mechanism meant to be a warning system.
This paragraph is so unbelievably ridiculous that I can't believe anyone would utter it in an attempt to demonstrate "intelligent design". Without smoke, "fire would creep up and destroy people"? Are you kidding me? What usually kills people in a fire? IT'S NOT THE FIRE! It is smoke inhalation! So, your "intelligent designer" provided us with a "warning system" that kills us! Some intelligence!
Quote:There's a mind behind the set of rules by which fire, smoke and water relate to one another.
Any evidence for this absurd statement?
Quote:Medicinal Plants and Herbs: There is a plant or herb pretty much for every ailment out there.
Really? Show me the plant that cures cancer. Or macular degeneration. Or Parkinson's Disease. Or muscular dystrophy. Or Down's Syndrome. Or diabetes. Or cystic fibrosis. Etc, etc....
Quote:Some medicines today are still manufactured using plants or herbs, at least in part. Banana skins alone have a powerful antioxidant and strong healing benefits. Looking at this from an angle open to intelligent design, you can see how someone might be looking out for us.
Someone is "looking out for us" because we have discovered how to use certain plants to remedy some ailments? Then explain to me why this intelligent being gave us edible mushrooms and deadly poisonous mushrooms, and made it very difficult to tell them apart.
Quote:Jet Stream: The jet stream is a complex maze in the ocean.
The jet stream is in the OCEAN? Your high school called. They want their diploma back.
Quote:Bananas: If you observe how apes and certain natives and people peel bananas, you will have a clearer understanding of the following. Bananas have a handle at one end, which is how most people peel bananas. However, peeling it this way can sometimes mush the banana at that end and can be awkward. But if you peel the banana by pressing on the opposite tip and peeling from that end, you’ll end up with a perfect banana. There’s no reason for the banana’s survival as a species to have developed such a tip. It looks like someone out there has provided a means to easily peel the world’s most popular fruit without mangling the inside.
Are you related to Ray Comfort? And you do realize that the bananas we have today are the result of human cultivation? The bananas that existed a few hundred years ago look nothing like the banana you get in the grocery store.
Quote:Coconut: This fruit has a hard shell. But each coconut has three circular indentations, resembling the holes of a bowling ball, which have softer textures. Have we been provided a way to get to the juice of this fruit, which has a hard outer shell?
Now explain avocados, walnuts and prickly pears.
Quote:Guitar calluses: I play guitar, and I was thinking about the calluses one develops on the fingers after playing for a while. For those of you who are not musicians, when a person first plays guitar, the strings hurt the fingers. But after a few weeks, guitarists develop calluses on the tips of their fingers, which protect their fingers from the strings, and it no longer hurts to play.
Your body reacts to a stimulus and you think this is evidence of "intelligent design"? Then explain goosebumps. They serve no function, yet we get them when we're cold. Why would that be if some intelligent being is responsible for calluses?
Quote:Is someone out there enabling us to play an instrument?
No.
Quote:These are just a few examples. They are things that when I gave it some thought I said "Wow, there's someone behind this work."
So you look at things in nature and conclude that it must be the work of an intelligent creator? Wow.
Quote:Atheists love to point to things such as world starvation, and the death of the innocent, using these examples to demonstrate there’s no God.
And you haven't refuted any of that.
Quote:I’m employing the same principles in reverse, by pointing to things that have the quality of intelligent design.
rjh4 Wrote:...I think the existence of the universe itself is evidence of the existence of God...
I’m not one of those Christians who think every single thing we see around us necessarily points towards the existence of God. However, there are certain things which definitely posses a quality of intelligent design. Besides what I’ve mentioned in my threads, here are some other examples…
Fire: Fire is crucial to man, and only man uses fire. It has been essential for the development of our species. I challenge anyone to name any other species that exclusively uses an element of nature.
The fact that water destroys fire is another clue. While fire is so destructive, it was so instrumental to man that we had no choice but to utilize it. But we needed a way to control it. Water is such a way. It is a gentle, everyday mineral, and yet it so easily extinguishes such a destructive force of nature. Can you think of any other ‘everyday’ mineral which can easily destroy or put out another force of nature? (I’m not talking about scientific inventions or discoveries, which are only accessible to those who created them. I’m talking about ‘everyday’ minerals ubiquitous on this earth, accessible to everyone).
Smoke: Again, fire has been a necessity for the survival of man, and yet it is so dangerous and destructive. Without smoke fire would creep up and destroy people and their resources. The fact that there is smoke, and the pungent smell of smoke, shows that we were intelligently provided with fire as a tool, though there’s a built in mechanism meant to be a warning system.
There's a mind behind the set of rules by which fire, smoke and water relate to one another.
Medicinal Plants and Herbs: There is a plant or herb pretty much for every ailment out there. Some medicines today are still manufactured using plants or herbs, at least in part. Banana skins alone have a powerful antioxidant and strong healing benefits. Looking at this from an angle open to intelligent design, you can see how someone might be looking out for us.
Jet Stream: The jet stream is a complex maze in the ocean. Heat essential to life is distributed through this stream throughout the earth. The complexity and accuracy of the jet stream is indication of intelligent design.
Bananas: If you observe how apes and certain natives and people peel bananas, you will have a clearer understanding of the following. Bananas have a handle at one end, which is how most people peel bananas. However, peeling it this way can sometimes mush the banana at that end and can be awkward. But if you peel the banana by pressing on the opposite tip and peeling from that end, you’ll end up with a perfect banana. There’s no reason for the banana’s survival as a species to have developed such a tip. It looks like someone out there has provided a means to easily peel the world’s most popular fruit without mangling the inside.
Coconut: This fruit has a hard shell. But each coconut has three circular indentations, resembling the holes of a bowling ball, which have softer textures. Have we been provided a way to get to the juice of this fruit, which has a hard outer shell?
Guitar calluses: I play guitar, and I was thinking about the calluses one develops on the fingers after playing for a while. For those of you who are not musicians, when a person first plays guitar, the strings hurt the fingers. But after a few weeks, guitarists develop calluses on the tips of their fingers, which protect their fingers from the strings, and it no longer hurts to play. Calluses on feet hurt when you press or walk on them. And yet the calluses on your guitar fingers have just the opposite effect. Is someone out there enabling us to play an instrument?
These are just a few examples. They are things that when I gave it some thought I said "Wow, there's someone behind this work."
Atheists love to point to things such as world starvation, and the death of the innocent, using these examples to demonstrate there’s no God. I’m employing the same principles in reverse, by pointing to things that have the quality of intelligent design.
I have read some stupid shit on this forum before but this just takes the biscuit.
August 10, 2010 at 4:23 pm (This post was last modified: August 10, 2010 at 4:24 pm by Autumnlicious.)
(August 10, 2010 at 3:39 am)AngelThMan Wrote:
rjh4 Wrote:...I think the existence of the universe itself is evidence of the existence of God...
I’m not one of those Christians who think every single thing we see around us necessarily points towards the existence of God. However, there are certain things which definitely posses a quality of intelligent design. Besides what I’ve mentioned in my threads, here are some other examples…
Fire: Fire is crucial to man, and only man uses fire. It has been essential for the development of our species. I challenge anyone to name any other species that exclusively uses an element of nature.
The fact that water destroys fire is another clue. While fire is so destructive, it was so instrumental to man that we had no choice but to utilize it. But we needed a way to control it. Water is such a way. It is a gentle, everyday mineral, and yet it so easily extinguishes such a destructive force of nature. Can you think of any other ‘everyday’ mineral which can easily destroy or put out another force of nature? (I’m not talking about scientific inventions or discoveries, which are only accessible to those who created them. I’m talking about ‘everyday’ minerals ubiquitous on this earth, accessible to everyone).
Smoke: Again, fire has been a necessity for the survival of man, and yet it is so dangerous and destructive. Without smoke fire would creep up and destroy people and their resources. The fact that there is smoke, and the pungent smell of smoke, shows that we were intelligently provided with fire as a tool, though there’s a built in mechanism meant to be a warning system.
There's a mind behind the set of rules by which fire, smoke and water relate to one another.
Medicinal Plants and Herbs: There is a plant or herb pretty much for every ailment out there. Some medicines today are still manufactured using plants or herbs, at least in part. Banana skins alone have a powerful antioxidant and strong healing benefits. Looking at this from an angle open to intelligent design, you can see how someone might be looking out for us.
Jet Stream: The jet stream is a complex maze in the ocean. Heat essential to life is distributed through this stream throughout the earth. The complexity and accuracy of the jet stream is indication of intelligent design.
Bananas: If you observe how apes and certain natives and people peel bananas, you will have a clearer understanding of the following. Bananas have a handle at one end, which is how most people peel bananas. However, peeling it this way can sometimes mush the banana at that end and can be awkward. But if you peel the banana by pressing on the opposite tip and peeling from that end, you’ll end up with a perfect banana. There’s no reason for the banana’s survival as a species to have developed such a tip. It looks like someone out there has provided a means to easily peel the world’s most popular fruit without mangling the inside.
Coconut: This fruit has a hard shell. But each coconut has three circular indentations, resembling the holes of a bowling ball, which have softer textures. Have we been provided a way to get to the juice of this fruit, which has a hard outer shell?
Guitar calluses: I play guitar, and I was thinking about the calluses one develops on the fingers after playing for a while. For those of you who are not musicians, when a person first plays guitar, the strings hurt the fingers. But after a few weeks, guitarists develop calluses on the tips of their fingers, which protect their fingers from the strings, and it no longer hurts to play. Calluses on feet hurt when you press or walk on them. And yet the calluses on your guitar fingers have just the opposite effect. Is someone out there enabling us to play an instrument?
These are just a few examples. They are things that when I gave it some thought I said "Wow, there's someone behind this work."
Atheists love to point to things such as world starvation, and the death of the innocent, using these examples to demonstrate there’s no God. I’m employing the same principles in reverse, by pointing to things that have the quality of intelligent design.
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I am going to define you a word. The word is anthropomorphism - ascribing human traits or actions to things that normally would never have such ascribed to it. This is a wonderful example of thick headed thinking, believing everything to be carefully thought out.
How many horrible examples of the world showing your "god" to be a horribly inadequate pillock will it take against your very few examples of "good"? A hundred? A thousand? A million?
How many will it take before you realize that the "good" you see is merely an illusion brought on by calling a hammer something completely different.
A hammer is a hammer. A coconut is a coconut. And an idiot named AngelThman is an idiot.
I personally applaud Thor for taking AngelThMan's text, dismantling it, and exposing it for the steaming pile it is. Bravo, good sir.
Just when the arguments can't get any worse than "Humans can't synthesize life yet therefore God exists", he comes back with a gem like "Humans can control fire therefore God exists".
I'm gong to postulate what's next.
"Humans can cook therefore God exists"
"Humans can drive cars therefore God exists"
"Humans can tell stories therefore God exists"
