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(September 1, 2015 at 6:43 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Because it is black-letter law in every state in the union.

Ok, but don't you see how that is a fallacious line of reasoning? Effectively an appeal to tradition.

Just because a law is considered to be well established doesn't mean it should never be challenged, or never considered unjust.

Blasphemy laws were on the books for centuries before being revoked in Europe.

So, without resorting to tradition and current laws (e.g. it should be illegal because it's currently illegal), why should siblings be prohibited from marrying?
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Just because the thought of it makes me go 'ew', doesn't mean I am necessarily against it.

Hell, there are some sexual practices between consenting women and men that make me go 'ew', but they are not specifically illegal. My personal response should not dictate what other consenting adults do, as long as no one else effected.

I would say that there should be a pregnancy restriction though.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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The chances of their actually being any kind of genetic abnormalities through inbreeding is extremely low, that kind of thing happens through generations of inbreeding. Obviously if they are both carriers of some kind of disease like Huntingtons or Parkinsons or Down syndrome, it would be in their best interests not to reproduce but I wouldn't pass laws against it.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain

'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House

“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom

"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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(September 1, 2015 at 6:32 pm)Minimalist Wrote: No.  Because the biology indicates a serious increase in the rate of birth defects.

I realize this position would de-populate large parts of Arkansas and West Virginia.


That is mean but you forgot parts of Chicago also.
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(September 1, 2015 at 6:32 pm)Minimalist Wrote: No.  Because the biology indicates a serious increase in the rate of birth defects.

I realize this position would de-populate large parts of Arkansas and West Virginia.

Ok, what about little people, people with a hereditary problems, ugly people?

Chances are there will be some defect passed on. Don't be a discriminator Min. Don't be hatin.

Besides, they say that incest is best and the closer the kin the deeper it goes in.
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Quote:Just because a law is considered to be well established doesn't mean it should never be challenged, or never considered unjust.

If you want to challenge it, be my guest.  I'm too old.

BTW, you'll be proving the christards right when they said gay marriage would open the doors to polygamy, bestiality and incest.
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I gave kudos to Min for the funny joke, but I'll go with what Tiberius said.

I don't see why they should be restricted. I think there are too many restrictions on our personal freedoms in this country, I wish the government would learn to back off a little bit.
Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.' -Isaac Asimov-
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#28
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(September 1, 2015 at 9:07 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:Just because a law is considered to be well established doesn't mean it should never be challenged, or never considered unjust.

If you want to challenge it, be my guest.  I'm too old.

BTW, you'll be proving the christards right when they said gay marriage would open the doors to polygamy, bestiality and incest.

Haha! Min, you just don't want to admit they're ever right!

But, no: we'll only be proving them right if they use the word "or" not "and". I have no problem with polygamy or incest; bestiality, however, doesn't include all parties being consenting adults.
Nolite te bastardes carborundorum.
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#29
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Incest in the Bible...


Gen 4:16-17

Cain was the first born son of Adam and Eve, and Abel was the second. In Genesis 4 we read how Cain kills his brother and is sent east of Eden where he marries a woman and “lays” with her. Because Adam and Eve were the first humans – from whom all people come – Cain’s wife was his sister – and, consequently, all of the early Biblical relationships were incestuous (with the exception of Adam and Eve).


Gen 20:12-13

Abraham married his half sister Sara in Ur. The King of Gerara took her from Abraham and God sent him a dream to tell him that he would be destroyed for taking a woman who already had a husband (God approved of the marriage between the brother and sister). The King returned Sara to Abraham and they remained together as a couple until she died.

Gen 9:31-36

It doesn’t really get much more blatant than that. The two daughters had sex with their father, Lot, in order to preserve his family line. Incidentally, this all happened shortly after they had fled from Soddom and Gomorrah which was destroyed by God for its immorality – ironic?. After the events described above, Lot had no memory of it (maybe it was the liquor) and nine months later the daughters gave birth to two sons, Moab (father of the Moabites), and Ammon (father of the Ammonites).

Abraham's brother Nahor married his niece Milcah, the daughter of his other brother Haran.

Just a few examples.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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#30
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(September 1, 2015 at 6:43 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Because it is black-letter law in every state in the union. 


Quote:In all states, close blood-relatives that fall under the incest statutes include father, mother, grandfather, grandmother, brother, sister, aunt, uncle, niece, nephew, and in some states, first cousins. Many states also apply incest laws to non-blood relations including stepparents, step-siblings, and in-laws.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_letter_law

Quote:In common law legal systems, black letter laws are the well-established technical legal rules that are no longer subject to reasonable dispute. Some examples are the "black-letter law" of contracts or the "black-letter law" of trademarks. Black-letter law can be contrasted with legal theory or unsettled legal issues.
I would submit that gay marriage fell under the unsettled legal issues doctrine if only because jesus freaks thought they could vote to deny other people their civil rights.

Just because it's a black letter law doesn't make it right. I am honestly surprised at your response here and wondering if you're even being serious.
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