BEASTIALITY

[Whateverist]

To bring the thread back to the original conversation, this is actually a good question. The immediate answer people will jump to in response is consent obviously, as has already been shown, but I don't think this wholly addresses the issue. Don't get me wrong, consent is in my opinion the ONLY moral aspect regarding sexuality that matters (and certainly the only aspect the state should have any involvement in enforcing), so this is both a morally and legally sound argument from my standpoint.

The problem is that consent rarely enters the conversation when it involves other activities regarding animals. We slaughter and eat them by the millions without their consent, we use them as lab testing subjects without their consent, we own them as pets without their consent, we are even legally allowed to kill some of them for sport without their consent. If consent really was the be all, end all of the discussion, I would expect its presentation to be more cosmopolitan throughout these discussions. Instead, we have consistently utilized animals as we have seen fit, consent be damned.

You're right.  So fuck them.

[Iroscato]

To bring the thread back to the original conversation, this is actually a good question. The immediate answer people will jump to in response is consent obviously, as has already been shown, but I don't think this wholly addresses the issue. Don't get me wrong, consent is in my opinion the ONLY moral aspect regarding sexuality that matters (and certainly the only aspect the state should have any involvement in enforcing), so this is both a morally and legally sound argument from my standpoint.

The problem is that consent rarely enters the conversation when it involves other activities regarding animals. We slaughter and eat them by the millions without their consent, we use them as lab testing subjects without their consent, we own them as pets without their consent, we are even legally allowed to kill some of them for sport without their consent. If consent really was the be all, end all of the discussion, I would expect its presentation to be more cosmopolitan throughout these discussions. Instead, we have consistently utilized animals as we have seen fit, consent be damned.

You're right.  So fuck them.

I believe that is the idea.

*Obvious joke is obvious*

[Napoléon]

To bring the thread back to the original conversation, this is actually a good question. The immediate answer people will jump to in response is consent obviously, as has already been shown, but I don't think this wholly addresses the issue. Don't get me wrong, consent is in my opinion the ONLY moral aspect regarding sexuality that matters (and certainly the only aspect the state should have any involvement in enforcing), so this is both a morally and legally sound argument from my standpoint.

The problem is that consent rarely enters the conversation when it involves other activities regarding animals. We slaughter and eat them by the millions without their consent, we use them as lab testing subjects without their consent, we own them as pets without their consent, we are even legally allowed to kill some of them for sport without their consent. If consent really was the be all, end all of the discussion, I would expect its presentation to be more cosmopolitan throughout these discussions. Instead, we have consistently utilized animals as we have seen fit, consent be damned.

It does enter the conversation but people are acting like it doesn't, trying to make out like there's a double standard. Like we all think it's okay to do other horrid things to animals but bestiality gets a free pass? Like the consent of animals isn't taken into account when we do other things to them, when in fact, it is, it's just not deemed necessary for that particular activity or it's overriden for a more important purpose.

It's not that complicated.

Some things we do with animals are deemed to have an acceptable and/or more important purpose, which, for better or worse overrides the need for consent. Keeping an animal as a pet is usually done because people care for such animal. Or that's the rationale behind having one. We test on animals to find cures to diseases, to help humanity in some way (or even animals). Ever notice how people protest when it's not done for these purposes? Ever notice how they protest when the animals are abused? Some people even protest animal testing on principle alone. Then there's the meat industry. Like it or not, again, it's done for a purpose. Some people disagree with it entirely, they're probably do-gooder vegetarians, but I'm sure for the most part everyone wants the animals to be treated as well as possible regardless of whether you think meat eating is a necessary evil or not. And guess what, people do in fact get outraged when they're mistreated. There are laws and standards in place to prevent it. The same principles go for animals in sport too. Hell, in any 'activity' we use animals for. But in all of these cases consent doesn't enter the equation when determining whether we should actually do it, for entirely different rationale and reasoning, that frankly you'd have to be blind to miss.


Bestiality though, is immoral for the same reason needlessly kicking a dog is. It doesn't serve an acceptable purpose besides bringing harm or discomfort to an animal who otherwise doesn't know what the fuck is going on. Consent has more to do with how we define rape. In the case of the OP, where a dog would lick peanut butter from someone's minge. Hell, sure, it's far from the worst thing you can do. The dog might even find it quite enjoyable. But by all accounts on how we treat humans, that would be a sexual act, and considering a dog, much like a young human, is in no position to rationalise or give consent, it's tantamount to rape, regardless of whether the dog finds it displeasurable or not. Is it the same as buttfucking a dog til its arse bleeds? No. But it's still rape by any definition of the word. Now answer me this. What beneficial purpose does rape serve besides the twisted fantasies of the rapist?