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Are Spaniards white?
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RE: Are Spaniards white?
(October 12, 2015 at 12:25 am)vorlon13 Wrote: I was going to post something about hairy Spanish men, but I see above I've already been there.

Sigh, wouldn't mind having one ring the doorbell right now . . .

Leave it to my buddy Vorlon to make "ding-dong" simultaneously double entendre AND onomatopoeic.
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RE: Are Spaniards white?
(October 28, 2015 at 9:39 pm)Yeauxleaux Wrote: I think it depends. Yes it's clear Portuguese and Spanish played a massive role in the subjugation of other people historically, but then I also think there are still deep-rooted prejudices against Southern Europeans within Northern European culture. We look at things too simply these days, just because the Spanish and the Portuguese had empires, that doesn't mean Southern Europeans are respected and treated well among Northern Europeans. There has been a long history of Northern European superiority complex and seeing Southern Europeans as "tainted" white people. It's rampant in Nazi ideology and was there in British colonialism too. "White" is used as a unifying word that homogenises us. It puts me in the same category as ethnically British people, who colonised "my country" (Malta).

Growing up Southern European in the UK, I've seen it. I'm pretty sure some (not all) British people have this really rigid image in their minds of what I'm supposed to be; brown-skinned, thick as shit, flapping like I've come straight out of a telenovela. I get to enjoy the look of utter bemusement and confusion on their faces when they're met with a very pale-skinned, blue eyed boy who speaks English as a first language better than they do. Granted, I do consider myself white (who wouldn't looking at me, tbh) so my experience is not one of severe racial oppression by any means. But in terms of stereotypes it is there and it's real.
Curiously I have southern features but if it wasn't for going to the beach so many times I would be extremely pale - It's a quite common combination - To be fully honest, I think each ethnic group we can label discriminates inside its own group - For example, the war in Rwanda was basically (in simplistic terms) because a black group disliked another black group - Southern Europeans dislike Northerns as well, specially Germans since austerity - You certainly won't get privileges or pass as native just for being whiter and looking English/German - The only people who, from my experience, are treated very well are Russians and other Eastern Europeans (I have a Russian and an Ukranian friend who are immigrants). The question of the OP was related to slavery I think and I was saying southerns had slavery and justified as much as other people - If there is a superiority complex among whiter Europeans that's ok, everyone has superiority complexes about something even inside the same group, just think of conflicts between different Asian groups. 

Also, inside southern Europe there's some diversity - For example, as I've said before I'm a northern Portuguese, meaning people here are whiter, taller and blonder, and there's less diversity (people are more conservative) while Poca is from the south and there's more diversity, people are usually a bit darker (Northern Portuguese jokingly say sometimes that southerns are moors and we also say we should be independent - I wonder how much of that is really a joke Tongue) - Then there's Jewish communities and people with strong Jewish ancestry, black communities from ex-colonies (though those are mostly segregated), gypsies (also segregated), etc. There's this theory in Portugal called "Luso-Tropicalismo", it is basically a doctrine that is really old that said we weren't as racist as other people because we didn't mass murder as often and treated slaves a little better - Because of the influence of this theory, most Portuguese people think they are totally non-racist when sometimes that's really not the case, and most people refuse to even talk about race and racism, there is a huge lack of organizations similar to Black Lives Matter. My girlfriend says she isn't racist, but she profiles people as Muslim, dislikes Gypsies even though she is partly one as well, and everytime she sees a black people makes a funny joke. Go figure.
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