BREAKING: OREGON COLLEGE SHOOTING

[MattB]

Also shooting at a living target makes a difference.

You do realize that often the defensive use of a gun doesn't involve firing it at all, right?

Normally you are correct but you must be able to.

[Thumpalumpacus]

You do realize that often the defensive use of a gun doesn't involve firing it at all, right?

Normally you are correct but you must be able to.

Of course. I was positing why statistics might possibly be incomplete.

[bambi_swag]

I wish weapons didn't exist and women were on average as equally strong as men. That would be pretty cool.

Puts me in mind of a Robin Williams joke:

'If women ran the world, there would be no more war. Can you imagine that? No more wars, ever. Of course, ever 28 days, there would be some REALLY intense negotiations...'

Boru

First throw Jaclyn Glenn and her rude fans into a garbage heap

[TheRocketSurgeon]

Puts me in mind of a Robin Williams joke:

'If women ran the world, there would be no more war.  Can you imagine that?  No more wars, ever.  Of course, ever 28 days, there would be some REALLY intense negotiations...'

Boru

First throw Jaclyn Glenn and her rude fans into a garbage heap

WTF? I think Jaclyn is fantastic. A trifle obvious, in her coverage of some topics, but her facial expressions and quips are hilarious.

I'm certainly comfortable with women running the world, though I doubt they're as immune to the lure of unchecked power and empire-building as we like to imagine.

[MattB]

Also shooting at a living target makes a difference.

You do realize that often the defensive use of a gun doesn't involve firing it at all, right?

At times and mostly true but in this case you are talking about someone not sane and willing to die. May have planned to die in which case a threat from a gun wouldn't have much effect on him. Pulling a gun at someone and hesitating might just get you killed.

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Normally you are correct but you must be able to.

Of course. I was positing why statistics might possibly be incomplete.

I've found on gun issues most the time the statistics are incomplete depending on who is funding the study. Seen this on both sides of the gun control debate.

[Thumpalumpacus]

You do realize that often the defensive use of a gun doesn't involve firing it at all, right?

At times and mostly true but in this case you are talking about someone not sane and willing to die. May have planned to die in which case a threat from a gun wouldn't have much effect on him. Pulling a gun at someone and hesitating might just get you killed.

I know this. I was mentioning it as a way of explaining incomplete statistics.

When I learnt how to shoot, I was taught to not point a gun at a person unless I intended to shoot, and to only shoot to kill. That is still valid advice.

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Of course. I was positing why statistics might possibly be incomplete.

I've found on gun issues most the time the statistics are incomplete depending on who is funding the study. Seen this on both sides of the gun control debate.

No argument with that.

[brewer]

Pressing a trigger is a fuck lot easier.

I guess you have never actually looked down the barrel of a gun. It's frightening.

If anyone is serious about suicide it's pretty simple to mix household chemicals to do it. Bleach and ammonia?

That's one fucked up way to off yourself. Unless you're a total masochist.

[abaris]

I wonder which one of you actually have been in a shootout. I have, as I said, sometime, pretty much when I joined up. It's pure chaos, mixed with panic and disorientation. So, I'm pretty sure, that only a hardened soldier or law enforcement officer could do more good than harm with a gun in a situation like that.

[BrokenQuill92]

http://youtu.be/3Bm5sDfaqSU

[MattB]

[quote='MattB' pid='1079855' dateline='1444510932']

At times and mostly true but in this case you are talking about someone not sane and willing to die.  May have planned to die in which case a threat from a gun wouldn't have much effect on him.  Pulling a gun at someone and hesitating might just get you killed.

I know this. I was mentioning it as a way of explaining incomplete statistics.

When I learnt how to shoot, I was taught to not point a gun at a person unless I intended to shoot, and to only shoot to kill. That is still valid advice.

Mattb
In my line of work that isn't always true but I would suggest it to most.