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Scientific Dating
#11
RE: Scientific Dating
About 10 years ago c14 tests were conducted on an olive branch which was found buried in volcanic ash at the archaeological site of Akrotiri on the island of Santorini.  The c14 dates were in the range of 1620 BC plus or minus 15 years.  When compared to dendrochronology and ice cores a date of 1628 BC for the Santorini eruption was determined.  Amusingly, because of the inherent plus/minus allowance, the C14 is the least precise of the three but close enough to suggest that Santorini blew it's top right around 1628 BC.
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#12
RE: Scientific Dating
(October 20, 2015 at 12:01 am)vorlon13 Wrote: Dendrochronology is accurate to 1 year back (IIRC) 7000 years for Europe.

Sorry Bishop Usher . . .

He got metaphorically nailed to a tree with that one... hehe
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#13
RE: Scientific Dating
(October 20, 2015 at 1:12 am)Minimalist Wrote: About 10 years ago c14 tests were conducted on an olive branch which was found buried in volcanic ash at the archaeological site of Akrotiri on the island of Santorini.  The c14 dates were in the range of 1620 BC plus or minus 15 years.  When compared to dendrochronology and ice cores a date of 1628 BC for the Santorini eruption was determined.  Amusingly, because of the inherent plus/minus allowance, the C14 is the least precise of the three but close enough to suggest that Santorini blew it's top right around 1628 BC.

Blondie,

Min's response provides an excellent example to discuss all the 'errors' you invoked in your OP. We understand the potential inaccuracies in the test, which is why results are reported with a margin of error. In Min's example it is +/- 15 years. The problem with people that listen to scientifically illiterate preacher types droning on about errors and assumptions is that the assumptions and potential errors are well understood and accounted for. 

The inaccuracy argument against radiometric dating is a canard perpetuated by ignorance.
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#14
RE: Scientific Dating
You know what's really crazy? If you try to keep an eye (observe) radioactive decay, nothing will happen. If you go back later and see wtf is going on, alla sudden all the decay expected to happen in the interval will have occurred.  Tongue

Kinda a corollary of bennyboy's quantum disproof of god - which is awesomesauce. Great
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#15
RE: Scientific Dating
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinthariscope
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#16
RE: Scientific Dating
One of the more important advances in radiocarbon dating has been the ability to date small and short-lived samples such as cereal grains and pollen.  The problem with using wood from , say, a doorway is that C14 is only absorbed by the wood when it is alive.  The C14 date tells us when the tree was cut down:  we have no way of knowing how long that particular board was used in the doorway.  It could have lasted a century or two.  How often to you replace parts of your doorways?

But with cereal grains or pollen (or olive pits...another biggie) you get an item which comes into existence, grows, dies and is consumed in a relatively short time giving a much more precise date.  Thus, what was a valid criticism of C14 dating has been rendered obsolete by advances in the technique itself.
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#17
RE: Scientific Dating
(October 20, 2015 at 11:20 am)Minimalist Wrote: How often to you replace parts of your doorways?

Oh, you'd be surprised.
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#18
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That's what happens when you keep coming home falling down drunk and trip over the damn thing.
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#19
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(October 20, 2015 at 2:45 pm)Minimalist Wrote: That's what happens when you keep coming home falling down drunk and trip over the damn thing.

I just had a mental image of Stimbo installing human sized cat flaps to avoid future expense.
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#20
RE: Scientific Dating
(October 20, 2015 at 6:48 pm)Cato Wrote:
(October 20, 2015 at 2:45 pm)Minimalist Wrote: That's what happens when you keep coming home falling down drunk and trip over the damn thing.

I just had a mental image of Stimbo installing human sized cat flaps to avoid future expense.

I just had a mental image of him getting caught up in the cat flap, and getting pissed.
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