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RE: Should driverless cars kill their own passengers to save a pedestrian?
November 17, 2015 at 2:55 am
(November 17, 2015 at 2:35 am)heatiosrs Wrote: (November 17, 2015 at 2:10 am)RaphielDrake Wrote: Thats true. A properly constructed machine will always have a lower risk of failing than a human beings cognitive faculties. Its part of the reason I think governments should be run by AI.
Another issue though; If a pedestrian could make sure someone in a car crashes by walking infront at an extremely busy junction with no risk to themselves wouldn't that be an extremely reliable method of murder? Potentially mass murder?
Hm, no. I think pedestrians should probably take responsibility for their own fuck-ups instead of the consequences being inflicted on what is essentially an innocent passenger. Very true, but based on these responses we should probably work on making the cars safe in order to not have to deal with a situation like this one.
Likely, in all honesty, the car would go off the cliff well before hitting the human, you're not going to program a car with ability to reason, and I think death will not even be an option, so if death happens, it will most likely be as accident(passenger).
To an extent we can actually program machines to reason, its just usually not as abstract as our ability to do so. A binary system can creates all kinds of checks and balances that would allow it to do so. As the checks and balances get more in-depth, more complex and more varied we may actually verge on creating a consciousness that rivals, if not surpasses, ours.
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RE: Should driverless cars kill their own passengers to save a pedestrian?
November 17, 2015 at 3:02 am
(November 17, 2015 at 2:55 am)RaphielDrake Wrote: (November 17, 2015 at 2:35 am)heatiosrs Wrote: Very true, but based on these responses we should probably work on making the cars safe in order to not have to deal with a situation like this one.
Likely, in all honesty, the car would go off the cliff well before hitting the human, you're not going to program a car with ability to reason, and I think death will not even be an option, so if death happens, it will most likely be as accident(passenger).
To an extent we can actually program machines to reason, its just usually not as abstract as our ability to do so. A binary system can creates all kinds of checks and balances that would allow it to do so. As the checks and balances get more in-depth, more complex and more varied we may actually verge on creating a consciousness that rivals, if not surpasses, ours. What I mean is, a car is not something they would program to reason.
The technology necessary for that is so long down the road, and would cost so much, there are much better things to use it for.
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RE: Should driverless cars kill their own passengers to save a pedestrian?
November 17, 2015 at 3:09 am
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(November 17, 2015 at 3:02 am)heatiosrs Wrote: (November 17, 2015 at 2:55 am)RaphielDrake Wrote: To an extent we can actually program machines to reason, its just usually not as abstract as our ability to do so. A binary system can creates all kinds of checks and balances that would allow it to do so. As the checks and balances get more in-depth, more complex and more varied we may actually verge on creating a consciousness that rivals, if not surpasses, ours. What I mean is, a car is not something they would program to reason.
The technology necessary for that is so long down the road, and would cost so much, there are much better things to use it for.
Well, there is one possibility. Quantum computing. If I remember correctly right now theres an app you can download to access one of the few quantum computers for a price. You can then use it to quickly and efficently answer any question to an astonishing degree of accuracy by going through the entire web for it at incredible speed.
It may well be possible to do something similar with cars and make it so several quantum computers are responsible for managing traffic via car uplinks. Because road accidents and road deterioration would be greatly reduced some of the taxes that would usually pay for that could be used to fund the maintenance and upkeep of said computers.
However, this would damage the job market as now various occupations would be in a huge part obsolete. It would be necessary to create a new industry for uneducated workers before doing this to offset economic damage.
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RE: Should driverless cars kill their own passengers to save a pedestrian?
November 17, 2015 at 7:10 am
(November 17, 2015 at 2:02 am)heatiosrs Wrote: (November 17, 2015 at 1:59 am)bennyboy Wrote: Presumably the cars are designed to know and obey speed limits, lights, etc. Therefore, if a pedestrian is in front of the car, he/she shouldn't be.
Caveat ambulator. I would still say assuming that whatever speed the car is going at, if it hits the pedestrian it will result in death, hitting the car is the best outcome given the original question.
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RE: Should driverless cars kill their own passengers to save a pedestrian?
November 17, 2015 at 7:33 am
(November 17, 2015 at 3:09 am)RaphielDrake Wrote: (November 17, 2015 at 3:02 am)heatiosrs Wrote: What I mean is, a car is not something they would program to reason.
The technology necessary for that is so long down the road, and would cost so much, there are much better things to use it for.
Well, there is one possibility. Quantum computing. If I remember correctly right now theres an app you can download to access one of the few quantum computers for a price. You can then use it to quickly and efficently answer any question to an astonishing degree of accuracy by going through the entire web for it at incredible speed.
And in what universe is this supposed to exist?
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RE: Should driverless cars kill their own passengers to save a pedestrian?
November 17, 2015 at 7:55 am
No one will buy a car known to be programmed to prefer to kill himself in the car rather than run over a pedestrian. The programmer who programs a driverless car to kill its passengers rather than pedestrians would therefore be programming the car to not sell. So he is programming himself out of a job.
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RE: Should driverless cars kill their own passengers to save a pedestrian?
November 17, 2015 at 8:00 am
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(November 16, 2015 at 8:23 pm)abaris Wrote: Driverless cars are the idiocy of the decade. I certainly hope, we don't reach the point of moving all responsibility to computers and software. Not even planes go as far. The pilot can always interfere.
Yes, human error may be responsible for a lot of shit, but computers aren't infallible either.
I believe FAA study suggests if well trained human pilots are encouraged to override automatic systems on commercial jetliners whenever they feel the computer has made an error, they are 15 times more likely to override a correct computer decision and replace it with a faulty one than overriding a faulty computer decision and replace it with a correct one. Furthermore, the ratio gets even worse during inflight emergencies.
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RE: Should driverless cars kill their own passengers to save a pedestrian?
November 17, 2015 at 8:53 am
(November 17, 2015 at 7:33 am)Quantum Wrote: (November 17, 2015 at 3:09 am)RaphielDrake Wrote: Well, there is one possibility. Quantum computing. If I remember correctly right now theres an app you can download to access one of the few quantum computers for a price. You can then use it to quickly and efficently answer any question to an astonishing degree of accuracy by going through the entire web for it at incredible speed.
And in what universe is this supposed to exist?
Nevermind. Turns out its not out yet though it is being worked on. The rapid search capabilities would allow you to find the answer to any question within seconds. Read it in an issue of new scientist.
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RE: Should driverless cars kill their own passengers to save a pedestrian?
November 17, 2015 at 8:55 am
(November 17, 2015 at 8:53 am)RaphielDrake Wrote: (November 17, 2015 at 7:33 am)Quantum Wrote: And in what universe is this supposed to exist?
Nevermind. Turns out its not out yet though it is being worked on. The rapid search capabilities would allow you to find the answer to any question within seconds. Read it in an issue of new scientist.
I don't think there currently are real quantum computers with more than a handful of bits
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RE: Should driverless cars kill their own passengers to save a pedestrian?
November 17, 2015 at 12:45 pm
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If I buy a car I'd like it to not automatically kill me. Plus, if the car kills the pedestrian, that's the pedestrian's fault for getting in the way of the car, and the passenger has no culpability. So really there's no question in my mind that I'd like the driverless car to preserve the life of it's passenger.
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