Sorry, Bernie...But You Look Like A Putz Here

[Tiberius]

Oh look how this turned out. The DNC caved, gave the Sanders campaign back their data. Sanders is suing for breach of contract and lost donations. This has backfired on the DNC incredibly well.

Feel the Bern.

[Exian]

And most of those stories are bullshit.

http://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2015/06...uries.html

It's true. The caveat is that if you deliberately set traps for burglars or trespassers you might very well be liable not only civly, but criminally. So no trip wires, pit traps, or land mines.

So Kevin McCallister should be in juvie?

[SteelCurtain]

Oh look how this turned out. The DNC caved, gave the Sanders campaign back their data. Sanders is suing for breach of contract and lost donations. This has backfired on the DNC incredibly well.

Feel the Bern.

Absolutely. The word "suit" has such a colloquial connotation, but he was suing (petitioning with the weight of the law) to get the data he should have access to. I can't wait to catch the Debate tonight to see how he rallies.

I am more hopeful every day that he can capture the nomination. And if the Don gets the nod on the other side, he has a serious chance.

[Minimalist]

Bernie apologized on national TV for what his staffers did.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/sanders-...nc-debate/

Sanders apologizes to Clinton — and his supporters — for data breach during DNC debate

U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders apologized to front-runner Hillary Clinton at a debate on Saturday for a breach of Clinton voter files by a Sanders staffer that intensified tensions between the two camps.

And Divi Tiberio, that seems to be an argument for professionals, not the laity.

In the computer security context, a hacker is someone who seeks and exploits weaknesses in a computer system or computer network. Hackers may be motivated by a multitude of reasons, such as profit, protest, challenge, enjoyment,[1] or to evaluate those weaknesses to assist in removing them. The subculture that has evolved around hackers is often referred to as the computer underground and is now a known community.[2] While other uses of the word hacker exist that are related to computer security, such as referring to someone with an advanced understanding of computers and computer networks,[3] they are rarely used in mainstream context.[4] They are subject to the longstanding hacker definition controversy about the term's true meaning. In this controversy, the term hacker is reclaimed by computer programmers who argue that someone who breaks into computers, whether computer criminal (black hats) or computer security expert (white hats),[5] is more appropriately called a cracker instead.[6] Some white hat hackers[who?] claim that they also deserve the title hacker, and that only black hats should be called "crackers".

I, for one, do not give a shit about the technicalities.

[Whateverist]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/18/politics/b...uspension/

Sanders campaign sues DNC after database breach

The problem is that it was Sanders' campaign which hacked into Clinton's files not the other way around.

This is a bit like breaking into a house and trying to sue the cops for catching you.

In another thread I mentioned that the word "chutzpah" was better described than defined.  I submit this is a perfect example of chutzpah.

Perhaps he was attempting a Jedi mind trick?

[Tiberius]

Bernie apologized on national TV for what his staffers did.

Good. Now hopefully the DNC will apologize for causing this mess. As Sanders also mentioned in the debate, this wasn't the first time their campaign noticed information leaking from the Clinton campaign database, and when they reported the earlier breaches, it was dealt with internally. For whatever reason (and I think it's highly likely that the DNC have an ulterior motive to try and destabilize the Sanders campaign), on this occasion the DNC decided to make it a public issue, and shut down the Sanders' campaign's access to data, which is a breach of contract (hence the reason Sanders is suing).

And Divi Tiberio, that seems to be an argument for professionals, not the laity.

In the computer security context, a hacker is someone who seeks and exploits weaknesses in a computer system or computer network. Hackers may be motivated by a multitude of reasons, such as profit, protest, challenge, enjoyment,[1] or to evaluate those weaknesses to assist in removing them. The subculture that has evolved around hackers is often referred to as the computer underground and is now a known community.[2] While other uses of the word hacker exist that are related to computer security, such as referring to someone with an advanced understanding of computers and computer networks,[3] they are rarely used in mainstream context.[4] They are subject to the longstanding hacker definition controversy about the term's true meaning. In this controversy, the term hacker is reclaimed by computer programmers who argue that someone who breaks into computers, whether computer criminal (black hats) or computer security expert (white hats),[5] is more appropriately called a cracker instead.[6] Some white hat hackers[who?] claim that they also deserve the title hacker, and that only black hats should be called "crackers".

I, for one, do not give a shit about the technicalities.

Right, and I'm a security professional. I'm telling you categorically that this wasn't hacking. I don't pretend to know how the DNC database works, but from the articles I've read, it appears that it's a centralized database that all campaigns have access to, however the campaigns are restricted from accessing each others data. For example, the DNC might have data in the database that every campaign is allowed access to, but the Clinton campaign might upload data of their own, and no other campaign should be able to see it. When the Sanders campaign performed queries on the database via normal search inputs, rather than just their own data, they also got some of Clinton's. As Sanders said, this has happened before and when it did, the Sanders campaign staff stopped and alerted the DNC. This time, one staffer opened the data and looked at it.

My point is, the staff didn't hack anything, they didn't even exploit anything, they just used the system as it's intended to be used, but the results they got back from the database included Clinton's information, which it shouldn't have.

To put it in a forum context, on this forum we have a hidden subforum which the staff use to communicate. Threads and posts in that forum are hidden from regular members. If a software bug occurred when you did a search, and within the results were threads / posts from the hidden forum, and you clicked on one of the threads, you've just accessed data which you shouldn't ordinarily have access to. You didn't "hack" anything though, searching a forum and clicking on search results is normal behavior.

[Minimalist]

I also don't give a shit how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

[Tiberius]

I also don't give a shit how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

You should give a shit about the facts though. The media will always put a spin on this, they don't understand the technical aspects of it. Honestly, the only thing the Sanders campaign did wrong was look at the Clinton data that effectively fell into their lap, and they fired the guy who did that. That should have been the end of it. There wasn't a hacking conspiracy, nobody on the Sanders campaign was actively trying to get Clinton's data, all this was was a bug caused by the DNC's software vendor and a Sanders campaign staffer who did the wrong thing with the data.

[CapnAwesome]

Of course the DNC doesn't want Sanders. He's not even a Democrat and has the integrity to not be a part of that shitbowl of a party. This is all just political distraction. I think the only real issue is that Hillary is a warmonger and known war criminal and Bernie Sanders is not nor is likely to become one. The only candidate with a sensible foreign policy in either party. Shame on anyone who would vote for a known war Criminal like Hillary.

[SteelCurtain]

War Monger?

Talk about political distraction...