Hey mo3, Hey mo3! Nyuck nyuck!

[Paul the Human]

So your just going to discount any evidence that doesn't agree with your views, I'm not surprised.

Neither am I. I didn't expect him to actually have a rebuttal to any of that. It is not what he has chosen to believe is true, so he will not even entertain the thought. His is the argument from 'but that's not what I want to be true!'

He is a lost cause.

[Samson]

Mo3....I've tried "not" to post on your topics/comments, but sense I love a good debate I'll reply to you on this one...

Half of my family are Muslims from Lebanon....Sidon to be more exact.

The other half are "Christian"...."Louisiana" to be exact on the Bible belt.

I've had a rare opportunity to truly grow up with both sides of the mix. I love them all, but after decades of hearing, reading, learning and seeing......It all boils down to influence, comforting, & personal preference due to all the above.

Mo3, even within your own sect they disagree with the Qur'an's meanings etc. Hence the reason for "Sects".....

Do you not see the simple fact that within the Islamic faith; one sect is wrong and the other right and vice/verse?

Same goes with the Christian one as well..Hence the reason for 34,000+ denominations coming from one book....

[mo3taz3nbar]

So your just going to discount any evidence that doesn't agree with your views, I'm not surprised.

Neither am I. I didn't expect him to actually have a rebuttal to any of that. It is not what he has chosen to believe is true, so he will not even entertain the thought. His is the argument from 'but that's not what I want to be true!'

He is a lost cause.

you are getting to a place where neither of us will be able to give evidence for the authenticity of the source of his information all i could do is to link you a history book that proves that muhammed(pbuh) was the best man who came to earth and i will not be able to give you any proves that what the writer is saying is the truth and yours are not as you will say that the one who wrote the history is lying so why bother
all i was able to do is that i gave you a link of people who are non muslim writers who said great things about him as its more credible to hear a good thing from non muslim about islam(you have to be an expert in history to become able to diffirintate between the truth and the lies)
i believe in muhammed(pbuh) because of the Quran not the other way around

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Mo3....I've tried "not" to post on your topics/comments, but sense I love a good debate I'll reply to you on this one...

Half of my family are Muslims from Lebanon....Sidon to be more exact.

The other half are "Christian"...."Louisiana" to be exact on the Bible belt.

I've had a rare opportunity to truly grow up with both sides of the mix. I love them all, but after decades of hearing, reading, learning and seeing......It all boils down to influence, comforting, & personal preference due to all the above.

Mo3, even within your own sect they disagree with the Qur'an's meanings etc. Hence the reason for "Sects".....

Do you not see the simple fact that within the Islamic faith; one sect is wrong and the other right and vice/verse?

Same goes with the Christian one as well..Hence the reason for 34,000+ denominations coming from one book....

yes i know that there is a lot of different sects(they are minorities) but you think that they have different Quran or interpretation? no different sects means that they believe certain things in history or follow someone they believe he was so religious than most of people and start to glorify him more than a normal man which is not acceptable in islam even for muhammed (pbuh)
the different sects is not considered a non muslim he is a muslim doing a wrong thing. in some countries they fight because of political issues but the main beliefs of different sects are exactly the same

[Jaysyn]

believe he was so religious than most of people and start to glorify him more than a normal man which is not acceptable in islam even for muhammed (pbuh)

No, they don't do that at all, nosirree. Must not be true Scottsmen, er Muslims.

[downbeatplumb]

So your just going to discount any evidence that doesn't agree with your views, I'm not surprised.

now you use history and claims from people to be evidence? lol

Why not, isnt that what your doing?

[Samson]

yes i know that there is a lot of different sects(they are minorities)

Maybe for you, but you just justified what I said. That Islam has their own separations. You just believe "Your" view is right and theirs is wrong. Hence your statement on a "Muslim doing the wrong thing". That Muslim believes just as strongly in their conviction as you do.....As different as it may be, it's still a separation within.

but you think that they have different Quran or interpretation?

Yes and no.....

Yes they have a different interpretation,.....Again, hence the reason for their separate understandings of a faith based belief, but No in the terms of a different Qur'an.
Just as the Bible is the same King James Version Bible in thousands of Churches across the west, but you will see a different tag/label and understandings throughout them all.

no different sects means that they believe certain things in history or follow someone they believe he was so religious than most of people and start to glorify him more than a normal man which is not acceptable in islam even for muhammed (pbuh)
the different sects is not considered a non muslim he is a muslim doing a wrong thing.

And tell that to the ones that believe, just as you do, that they are Muslim. Again, a book is taken in context with it's reader....
You do realize how religiously normal you are being?

in some countries they fight because of political issues but the main beliefs of different sects are exactly the same

Yes and No again. The "Core" yes, just as in Christianity and Judaism, but the sects separates them in their own little unique ways. Hence again, the reason for even having a separation for what is believed to be more important and indifference within every sect/branch etc.

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and start to glorify him more than a normal man which is not acceptable in islam even for muhammed (pbuh)

so its not acceptable for muhammed?
Isn't he the reason why this universe created? Thats right universe created just for muhammed according to islam. (whic is created by muhammed.)

[mo3taz3nbar]

So your just going to discount any evidence that doesn't agree with your views, I'm not surprised.

now you use history and claims from people to be evidence? lol

Why not, isnt that what your doing?

no am not if you used something from history it means you are using someone opinion or view except you are an expert of how to approve historic events and it will still be suspected. thats different of using scriptures as it is the opinion of your religion and if it was proved wrong then its not from god and its an evidence that the religion someone following is written by men and not from god

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yes they have a different interpretation,.....Again, hence the reason for their separate understandings of a faith based belief, but No in the terms of a different Qur'an.
Just as the Bible is the same King James Version Bible in thousands of Churches across the west, but you will see a different tag/label and understandings throughout them all.

thre is no different interpretation and no different beliefs all muslims says that there is no god except allah and that muhammed(pbuh) is his last messenger the differences are in political and historical issues that have nothing to do with the main beliefs and the Quran

Yes and No again. The "Core" yes, just as in Christianity and Judaism, but the sects separates them in their own little unique ways. Hence again, the reason for even having a separation for what is believed to be more important and indifference within every sect/branch etc.

the differences is in the main beliefs and in the interpretation as an example different sectors in christianity use different verses to prove their point of view and these verses are all in their scriptures contradicting each other

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and start to glorify him more than a normal man which is not acceptable in islam even for muhammed (pbuh)

so its not acceptable for muhammed?
Isn't he the reason why this universe created? Thats right universe created just for muhammed according to islam. (whic is created by muhammed.)

lol good way to prove that you are an exmuslim(i hope that other members just google your claims so they can know about your imagination).get me evidence from the Quran or it is meanless to answer you

[Samson]

thre is no different interpretation and no different beliefs all muslims says that there is no god except allah and that muhammed(pbuh) is his last messenger the differences are in political and historical issues that have nothing to do with the main beliefs and the Quran

Just as all "Christians" say that Jesus Christ is their lord and savior who died on the cross for their sins etc. etc. etc. ......(They have their core as well)...
And trust me, when I say that the separation of different branches of Christianity have their own little battles of political and historical issues, just as Muslims.....

the differences is in the main beliefs and in the interpretation as an example different sectors in christianity use different verses to prove their point of view and these verses are all in their scriptures contradicting each other

For a second I thought your were talking about the Qur'an and how people view and react on the verses from it....

Wait for it.................................Just as Christians do............................

You can gift wrap your belief all you like, but the bottom line still stands. Muslims and Christians have raped their own book in terms of taking it apart to fit their own agendas....Whether historically, politically, and/or personally.....Hence again, we have separations within each dark age belief....

[mo3taz3nbar]

Just as all "Christians" say that Jesus Christ is their lord and savior who died on the cross for their sins etc. etc. etc. ......(They have their core as well)...
And trust me, when I say that the separation of different branches of Christianity have their own little battles of political and historical issues, just as Muslims.....

they are different in wether jesus is god or he is son of god and also differ in what that means and they are different in parts of the bible some say its from the bible and other says its not and again some say if you believe only you will go to gods heaven and others say you must believe and do good deeds
the difference in islam has nothing to do with the beliefs at all the differences is about the companions of muhammed(pbuh) which is mainly history and made up stories about religious men.which most muslim oppose this as it can lead to the same things happened in other religions

For a second I thought your were talking about the Qur'an and how people view and react on the verses from it....

Wait for it.................................Just as Christians do............................

You can gift wrap your belief all you like, but the bottom line still stands. Muslims and Christians have raped their own book in terms of taking it apart to fit their own agendas....Whether historically, politically, and/or personally.....Hence again, we have separations within each dark age belief...

you are wrong neither muslims nor christians did that you can say that about jews and in this issue you cant genaralize things you must see wether the rules in the book surve anyone personal intentions or benefit him or in the contorary make him not able to do bad things or use rules for his own benefit